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Broken Britain doesn’t need a tax cut | The News Agenda

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[Applause] he [Music] morning everybody crappy Mondays to you  and welcome to the news agenda with me   Fleet Street Fox and today I’m joined  by comedian and friend of the show Mark   Steele morning Mark hello hope you’re well  aren’t we yeah for a Monday morning it’s  

All a little bit chirpy but we we’ll see how  we I’m sure we can get depressed and angry before now this is the people’s pay-per-view  so get into the comments ask us your questions   we’ll do our best to answer them for you those  of you listening later on podcast will just have  

To wait until Mark comes to visit your town  with his Radio 4 hat on and Heckle him then   instead so what have we got for you today well  The Mirror Has splashed on a warning from the  

Unions that broken Britain does not need any tax  cuts ahead of Wednesday’s budget more on that in   bit later but first I want to take us to page 13  very important you would have page 14 without it  

But it’s about an ongoing cover up into the  Battle of all grieve now Mark can you take us   through this a little bit was this as it sounds a  pivotal clash between Roundheads and Cavaliers in  

The English Civil War or was it something a bit  more recent see as we’ve got a photo of it it’s   on the page it was yeah it was sort of more recent  it was so in 1984 the miners were on strike so the  

Origins of this strike is that the well on the  face of it the conservative government that had   been reelected about a year earlier uh under  Margaret Thatcher said that it had a plan to  

Shut down the mines or to shut down a number of of  pits in the Britain’s coal Fields because the pits   just weren’t economical Now sort of everybody  knew that really this was a plan to attack the   Trade union movement which was you know still  pretty strong at the time and had brought down  

The conservative government between 1970 and 74  a Margaret so they been to a discontent and the   big all everyone was on strike and all the rest of  it yeah well that was before the win discontent so   this was when the trun were really were really  powerful and the industrial Relations Act had  

Been brought in by the conservatives and it had  been completely destroyed because so many people   went on strike do it wasn’t just miners but the  the miners were the strongest part of the Trade   union movement and if that if their Union could  be broken then the Trade union movement would  

Be severely weakened and that really was the the  reason for it and subsequently all the things that   the union said actually underestimated how much  they were going to shut down the pits the tourist  

Were saying this is the way to keep the the mindes  of Britain going but in fact uh it they they were   lying you know because they had plans to shut the  pits all together so the miners went on strike  

When the when it became clear that the mines were  going to be shut and there was a critical battle   in a place called or grief because there was a  coking Depot where there was big tons and tons  

And tons of coal that had been stockpiled and if  the coal board could get this out to people then   it would obviously really dampen the effect of the  the strike um so Arthur scargle who was leader of  

The national Union of Mine Workers called for a  mass picket and the point of this picket was to   try and prevent these lorries from getting out  by talking to the the Lorry drivers and trying  

To persuade them their Union was much much weaker  than it had been and so on but also to physically   stop the lorries getting out there weren’t enough  people the unions have been weakened since the  

70s there weren’t as many as there was in these  pickets in the 70s and it was clear this was going   to be a major battle in the strike and the South  Yorkshire police clearly under instruction from   the government operated with a degree of savagery  that shocked people and continues to sh people it  

Wasn’t just south Yorkshire was it because there  were forces that got shipped in the metropolitan   police from London they went all the way to where  orrie is and and they they were shipping them from   all over the country basically for a massive  confrontation one of the pictures that we just  

Saw there was of the number of police officers um  with riot shields which I’m just going to explain   very briefly for people on the um on the podcast  there’s there’s seried ranks here of just coppers  

You know with the bobies and the helmets on lined  up arm in- arm in front of our miners there’s also   another shot of like a bigger perspective with  some fields and stuff and plants behind there   were Co mounted Cavalry on horses Riot police on  the horses remember that’s about a ton of horse  

Flesh and they rode those horses didn’t they  into the miners and here’s the picture I was   talking about now you got a picture here of police  officers with riot shields running basically in   ranks they’re like 20 deep running up um up a  an area of field looks like towards the miners  

They they stormed they stampeded those lines they  didn’t just stand there and uh you know hold them   back they charged them didn’t they absolutely yes  absolutely now this had been going on already for  

A few for a few months but this was by far the  biggest sort of pitch battle I mean it it was a   war you know they but the police had been stopping  miners they from they’ been St stopping them at  

The the black wall tunnel for example they knew  the registration cars of Miners and they’d stop   turn them back and it was extraordinary degree  there were little pit Villages where uh where   leaders of you um where the most sort of prominent  people in the in the local strikes where their  

Houses had been just invaded and stuff by the  by the police they were and they weren clearly   not just operating as a as a sort of independent  Force this was the government had told them this  

This we are at War here the miners were called the  Enemy Within by all grief was a key battling a key   component of that yeah there has to be a degree  of organization doesn’t there because if you’re  

If there were miners in Kent in the pit villages  in North Kent who wanted to get up to rotheram to   join you have flying pickets that move up there  and do the picketing and because they had to   because there wasn’t enough other people in the  union movement they’re getting stopped at black  

Ho tunnel in East London by the met so there is  a degree of involvement and organization trying   to to block all this so in June 91 the South yoria  police actually paid just under half a million in   compensation to a group of about 39 minors for  things that included assault wrongful arrest  

Unlawful detention malicious prosecution a lot  of police officers although there were a number   of miners that got charged with Riot there were  a number of police officers who were thought to   have committed perjury possibly by giving false  evidence and later it transpired that some of  

The officers from South Yorkshire police that are  involved at orre were also involved at Hillsboro   um and they their name sort of got mentioned at  the hillsbor inquest and so on so what this story   is about in the paper today is there’s a whole  bunch of files about this the South Yorkshire  

Police archives and they’re sitting on it and  they’re not publishing them and they’re closed   until 2066 um that there must be mark an awful lot  of Clues as to who who or what was responsible or  

Any organization if there if there was some in  those files why would they sit on it until 2066   well they would sit on it because they contain  information that would lead us to conclude that  

There was a a war which was illegal in many ways  apart from being you know utterly foul and immoral   and horrible uh against working people at that at  that time it was really if you were sort of lucky  

Enough to be young enough not to to remember  this it was um it it was a really brutal time   and it’s not you I think many people that have  been involved in the hillsburn campaign and who  

Have tried to uncover the um the truth about what  happened there and the the role of the police and   certain elements of the press and that in that  have have said that it’s that that the links  

Between this and the minor strike it was only  a few years afterwards are they are they’re so   obvious really and know it’s a bit like an  occupying Army that suddenly starts to see   uh everybody as a threat and that’s that that was  the mood that was the atmosphere in Britain of the  

Time I think is that if you were a if you were in  the police you had been trained in conditioned to   see everybody every working person as a threat if  they were a football fan if they were a miner and  

It was the same police force that had been in the  center of both of those uh both of those horrible   it it was about militancy wasn’t it really and  that you know you’re you’re causing us problems  

The rest of it but what I don’t understand is  this was the South Yorkshire police of 1980 dot   whatever it was is not the South Yorkshire police  of 2024 right different officers mostly right 40   years they all retired and a fat pension now if  they’re still with us uh the miners in question  

Are in their 70s now most of them um if this gets  held out to 2066 they’ll probably all be dead or   near enough um and South Yorkshire police their  job is to pursue Justice isn’t it and to arrest  

People who’ve done wrong and committed crimes  and if I went to court and committed perjury   South Yorkshire police or the ever nearest copper  would happily arrest me for something why can’t   the South Yorkshire police of today have the same  attitude towards the South Yorkshire police then  

Is it a government thing because we’ve had labor  governments in since then who should have ordered   the public inquiry you should have ordered the  arrest you should have said you know it’s in our   interest to make thatcherism look bad let’s let’s  clear clear it out why is this still going on we  

Haven’t had an inquiry we haven’t had prosecutions  against people who’ve done something right and we   haven’t had a government that seems to have said  well let’s have let’s have the truth uh no well   there’s a couple of there’s a couple of things  isn’t there I mean one is that the police uh do  

Not necessarily do what the government tells them  if the police decide that they’re going to ignore   the government then they then they will do uh and  the other thing is that the last Labor government   didn’t want to associate itself in any way with  looking like it was at all supporting the miners  

Even if it was supporting the miners in as much  as they were the ones in this incident that were   clearly on the right side of the law because now  the last the last Labor government its whole res  

On Detra was to sort of was was to distance  itself from that from that world the world of trading yeah it want to pretend it had nothing to  do with the unions whatsoever and yeah yeah yeah  

Exactly and I mean you know and and the next  Labor government will be even more like that   I guess you know about as you found with your  compact your campaign with the mod and that you   know the fact that the the current Personnel are  entirely different people from the ones from 50  

Years ago when all this started it’s that that’s  there’s a mentality that we a cult mentality you   know we’ve got to defend we’ve got to defend  the the traditions of the the body that we’re   in and the police are are very very good at at  doing that it’s institutionalism isn’t it they  

Won’t they won’t throw it over and you know all  the Tory governments we’ve had since then they   don’t want to kick thater because she’s the  best thing that’s ever happened to them and   labor wanted to blow Brown years they wanted to  not move away from it and try not to matter too  

Much we don’t need to kick up that particular um  dust bin and so here we are but there does need   to be an inquiry and it it does look increasingly  like the next Labor government if we get one is  

Going to have an awful loss of public inquiries  and compensation to have to find So speaking of   which let’s go on to the main story of the day  now we’ve been retweeted by Unison because they  

Care so much about this story this the main story  of the day if not the week which is Wednesday’s   budget all right now we’re now in this tedious  business uh of expectation management by the   treasury which always happens before the budgets  it means that they’re lying to journalists every  

Day that they’ll be spending this or cutting that  or investing in the other but oh there’s no money   don’t get too excited about things uh and then  you know they’ll be trying desperately to produce   a rabbit from the Hat on Wednesday but frankly  until jamy hunt gets up on his hind legs we’re  

Not really going to know what he’s gonna say but  the unions today in today’s front page Mark they   seem pretty certain that he’s going to announce  tax cuts all right why AR they happy about tax   cuts surely everyone would be happy about tax cut  well because the tax cuts don’t affect everybody  

Equally so tax cut if the tax cuts are for the  people who are already doing all right then that’s   that’s not going to make people happy if they’re  not going to be affected by it but in any some  

Ways I don’t think I think the problem they’ve  got is that nobody’s listening like you know the   the media will talk about the budget and all the  excitement and what’s Jeremy Hunter a thing on  

The radio this morning what’s Jeremy Hunt going to  do well he could do this he could this we’ve got   the economic Summer from the financial times well  it could possibly with the but with the borrowing   requirements and so and I think most people have  just stopped listening to to them now and they  

Remind me very much when I was a young comic at  The Comedy Store sometimes you and it was a bit   tricky sometimes The Comedy Store it could be a  bit wild and Lively and drunken and and a bit bit  

Never Maring oh yeah and you you had to be you  had to concentrate really to do all right and   sometimes you get a new comic on and and sometimes  the older Comics we’ sort of we’d stand at the  

Back and watch the new one and they’d get in a get  in a mess and and you’d Heckle them wouldn’t you   you well no you didn’t know this is the thing  you didn’t need to Heckle them because people   weren’t listening the chatting had start and the  audience would all be talking amongst themselves  

And uh and the comic you could see their eyes  going and they’re panicking and their mouths   getting dry and then they just rush they rushing  and and then and we’d be at the back going W reck  

I reckon he’s got about 20 seconds and then and  it wouldn’t matter the comic could come out with   the best joke in the history of language and it  wouldn’t make any difference because no one was   listening and then one person in the audience  would just go shut up might you still here  

Everyone would laugh and then they’d have to go  and I think that’s where this government is at   it doesn’t matter what they do it doesn’t matter  they could come out with the best policy that has  

Ever been dreamt of that ARIS stotle would not  have had the brains to have conjure up and it   wouldn’t make any people would just go I thought  you’d gone mate shut up yeah and I think they’re  

Stuffed and I think that’s the problem with the  his budget so he might as well do anything we’re   g to tax giraffes that’s how we that’s how we’re  going to get the economy go anyone all giraffes  

If you got a giraffe you got pay a million pounds  London Zoo are completely Furious no one’s going   to take any notice no exactly I tend to think that  what you can tell how it’s going to go by who the  

Journalists are talking to and the most and who  they’re focusing on and generally whenever there’s   an announcement by anything in the government they  just go straight to the next government labor and   go well what are you gonna do yeah because you  know the big issue is not really what Jeremy  

Hunt says it’s well how is Rachel re gonna find  her way out of this when they come into power you   know and if you know under Jeremy Corbin no one  cared what John Mcdonald had to say because you  

Know he would stand up and say something mildly  amusing and mad and everyone will write it down   but then no one actually went to them and said  well now labor have got a real problem because  

How are they going to get find their way out  yes yeah that’s a good point didn’t happen the   journalists were just like yeah it’s like watching  The Bookies you once The Bookies start taking bets  

And or stop taking bets on something you know  how it’s all go yeah yeah yeah no I think it   is a bit like that so he might as well have a  laugh with it might he might as well just come  

With just really we’re going to T tax is going  to be be done in alphabetical order so the next   month everyone whose surname begins with I or B  you’re paying all the tracks hey hey what and the  

Poor zorer whatever’s down the road haven’t got to  pay it for 26 years no yeah think so well you know   it’s we’ve got we’ve tried everything else that  hasn’t worked so we could give it a go Susie now  

The union seemed pretty certain that he’s gonna  announce these tax cuts but the tax cuts that are   being floated so far don’t really aren’t going  to go to the ordinary Joe so one of the things  

That it’s pointing out in the paper today is that  if for example you had a one p cut in National   Insurance which would make a difference of bugger  all to everybody on your National Insurance bill  

One p half of that it would raise about4 billion  pounds all right and half of that two billion   would go to the richest households the richest  people in the country like the top few percent   um now the other two billion doesn’t go to the  poorest households the poorest households the  

Actual bottom couple of percent would only get 160  million now that is less than 10% of the total the   rest gets spread out somewhere in the middle so  um you know it’s it’s 10% less than 10% to the  

Poorest and more than half to the richest and the  middle class can kind of grab what’s left do you   think no Mark even if hunt did that the other  way around even if he sort of you know brought  

In a non-dom tax break and tax private schools  and tax giraffes and Lotus Elites and and wives   who have billion dollar stakes in foreign data  firms and stuff like that he banned everything   and somehow managed to redistribute the tax so  only the poor people got it and the rich people  

Just got you know just had to put up with all the  many millions they’ve got already do you think the   Unions would somehow decide they love the Tories  would the union still find a way to moan well no  

Yeah of course the unions wouldn’t love the Tores  but it’s so unlikely they would do that isn’t it   that’s that course yeah be like oh when Liverpool  play Manchester City if Liverpool deliberately   scored six goals in their own net would that make  the city fans like them you know I think I think  

It it will need all those things you said and much  more won’t it because so many things are crumbling   they’ve been under attack the austerity years did  such damage and it needs a massive overhaul this  

Country and the money is there for it because the  the Gap in uh the gap between rich and poor is IM   is it was already immense in 2010 but now it is  absurdly immense and it’s grown more than it has  

In other countries in Western Europe and it needs  a massive overhaul and that’s why i’ sort of think   you know when people say well nobody could you’ve  got and Poor Labor they going have all these very   difficult situations so they can’t do anything  radical in 1945 what Clement Atley took over was  

A little bit more tricky than what we’re going to  have to put up with at the end of this government   it was the end of the second world war which  had been even more difficult than the years  

Of austerity and they didn’t go well they didn’t  send people out all day to go well it is a very   difficult situation and given the Legacy we’ve  been left of thousands of bombed houses because   of the Blitz uh then we can’t really do anything  they did the very opposite they said we’re going  

To have to completely overhaul the whole place  Yeahs they didn’t even have an NHS to say they   were gonna protect they to start from what  we need is an NHS uh I don’t see why really   the current labor lot aren’t coming out saying  would you know what we’ve done it before we can  

Do it again but you’re than us everybody very very  scared get the get the gloves on off we go um now   what do you think everybody what would you like  the budget to do for you whether you are in the  

Richest couple of percent the poorest couple of  percent somewhere in the middle what do you want   Jeremy Hunt to do when he stands up on Wednesday  please don’t say self-combust Mike says changes   to non-dom status is a policy government have  fought against for years and it’s designed just  

To put the next government in a hole financially  it’s sorting the Earth for labor now this is the   suggestion that Jeremy Hunt might abolish non-don  tax status which is the thing that a lot of Labor   policy plans such as there are very few of them  three plans they’ve got has been basically funded  

By saying well we’ll abolish ndom tax status so  if you if you don’t live in this country you’ve   still got to pay some tax if you’re not British  if you’re if you’re here um you can’t say you’re  

Registered in you know macious and pay your  taxes there you have to pay your taxes here   if you live here and if your children are here  and if your life is here like Mrs M she sunak  

Didn’t to start with um and that is nicking the  idea from labor and as Mike says basically just   sort of putting the next government in a hole  do you think Mark that um I suppose a lot of  

The budget isn’t going to Big see as we all know  the government’s going to change the budget isn’t   going to be about great Tory ideas it’s it is just  going to be as Mike says trying to bugger it up as  

Much as possible for the next BL yeah I suppose  yes definitely there’ll be a bit of that but if   he was if he was a bit imaginative with that you  know like my alphabetical plan and then like CU  

They know that then then by the evening there’d  be an interview with Rachel Reeves going are you   going to reverse the uh the Chancellor’s plans to  make tax alphabetical and she’d go no we are going   to stick for the first two years to the tor’s  alphabetical plan yeah and that’s why that’s quite  

Depressing to every isn’t it now if you’re a tax  if you’re a Tory right I don’t know if we’ve got   any Tory voters watching this possibly possibly  been frightened Away Today by just thinking Mark  

Was on and just gone no that’s it I’m going to go  and have to go shoot they like me I’m not going   to listen to that bre um but you know if you are  a Tory then a tax cut seems like a nailed on way  

To win some votes they love tax cuts why doesn’t  everybody love tax cuts but um like we’ve heard   Tory tax cuts can be a bit unfair and also the  current polling is showing that the public the  

Great British public doesn’t want a tax cup they  actually want while the country is in such a state   they what polls are showing that three qus of  people want more public spending not less and   of course you got to have a tax cut by cutting  something else and no one you know everything’s  

Poth hold I don’t want any more Cuts I want some  spending please why do you think Mark I suppose   this a bit of a psychoanalytical question why do  you think the Tories are still going for this are  

They blindly following an ideology we must cut  taxes that’s who we are or are they in complete   denial like Liz trust going well this will work  it’s fine and they think everyone’s just going   to come to their way of thinking by day maybe I  think I think they think that this this always  

Works this always works at every election you  say labor will raise taxes and spend all your   money they’ll come around and take your pets and  sell them and use the money to give to the unions  

And all this stuff that they will say and they  will still say at the next election about Kier   stor even though that’s so utterly absurd but they  will do it that is what they have always done and  

They believe that it they can’t understand what it  I mean in the first election that Corin for they   got completely um uh they got completely confused  didn’t they because they would say all of these   things that normally work and then they didn’t  they would say Labor’s going to raise taxes and so  

On and kin said yes I know that he was a disaster  in the the second election he F but and then when   it doesn’t work they just don’t understand it it’s  like um it’s like a scientist suddenly seeing that  

That something that always happens isn’t happening  you know yeah they tend to they seem to ask what’s   wrong with the voters yeah oppos to what’s wrong  with us they don’t have that moment of sort of  

Introspection do they yes so they believe that if  we say labor is just going to spend all your money   and you know it worked in 1992 and it’s worked  in various other elections labor will tax you and  

Make you sell all your relatives and stuff like  that you’ll have to sck all your you’ll have to   prize open all your floor boards and Labor’s  new floor boards tax all of that label suar   relatives and we’ll only tax giraffes vote for  us yeah everything will be fine I think this you  

Think you’re right this time none of it none of  it works and it’s partly because the there isn’t   an enthusiasm for tax cuts over Services because  so many people are affected by that even people   who aren’t directly affected by it their families  are and so on they’ve seen out what happens when  

All these things get cut but um but also because  nobody believes what the Tes are saying anyway   we just don’t believe them they’re incompetent  they’re useless and I think that that’s obviously   it’s big generalization to say that’s what people  are thinking but clearly that is what millions of  

People including millions of people who voted  for Boris Johnson are thinking that and I think   even if even if their votes don’t go to labor  they won’t go back to the conservatives as that   you know they by election the other day when labor  made such a magnificent effort of I thought it was  

Very I thought it was very imaginative of Labor  to hand the running of the Rochdale byelection   to the very first person who’ got knocked out of  last year Apprentice that level of stupidity there   oh he did didn’t he well you know Celebrity Big  Brothers starting again I think this yes but if  

The Tory vote collapsed and even when the labor  candidate was non-existent was literally didn’t   exist because they’ve been swn by labor then those  votes didn’t go back to the Tories they went to   either an independent guy or to George Galloway  so people were the people including many people  

Who voted Tori before would rather vote for  anyone than go back to the conservatives so   I think that’s the pickle it that Jeremy I think  what they haven’t quite figured out is that the  

For brexit in many ways was a vote for more public  spending it was a sort of a creder and a complaint   that things weren’t great and we needed some cash  back from the EU and we don’t want to spend as  

Much money on that we want to spend the money on  this and they seem to think it was a vote for you   know anti-immigration and we hate foreigners and  we want more business deregulation and all the  

Rest well it was that as well though wasn’t it  it was a bit yeah it was quite a bit of racism   let’s face it but I think a lot of it was also we  want more spending on stuff that’s important to us  

And that bit seems to just bypassed them totally  well as a person of Kent Susie you’ll know that a   lot of the people in Kent will have voted brexit  because they thought there were too many uh too  

Many immigrants and now the population of Kent is  gone up to about 30 million 29 million of which a   Romanian truck driver struck on the M2 exactly  they are but I want to point out that uh Tommy  

Dwells and Canterbury both voted remain okay also  Kent was the only place that wasn’t conquered in   1066 all right so the People’s Republic is yeah  speakers of Kent person himself side of theway   mate no [Laughter] you’re be careful when there’s  a civil war with you yeah we don’t speak to people  

In the other side of the Medway they’re they’re  wrongin they let the conquer in now what does get   getting back the thing we’re talking about was toy  tax cuts what does do about this because Rachel  

Ree’s done all these sums she and K have been  really cautious and said oh we don’t have much   money know then we’re going to get into Downing  Street and they’re going to find JY Hunt’s already  

Done some of the stuff they wanted to do um what  do you think everybody what should labor do with   this can they do anything do you feel really  sorry for them the goat the greatest of all time  

1892 says starma has too much power in the labor  party and no Integrity however the alternative of   five more years of the Tories is not an option  you sound complet completely um a drift a bit  

There the go as to know what to do with your vote  hopefully you’re going to do something with it um   I think having a bit more power in the leader  rather than membership is probably a reversal   of what we had under Corbin and therefore perhaps  it’s going to make a difference to electability  

Which is why we do it Leslie says when are we  voters going to realize the difference between   spending our taxes on us and spending our taxes  on political friends to gain funding for the   next election now this is something you might not  have heard this morning Mark Jeremy Hunt has had  

A donation of £100,000 to his constituency party  who do you think the donor was yeah it was him   wasn’t it it was him he paid his own constituency  a hundred grand yeah presumably for leafleting and  

Staff costs and rent and just to keep it all to  yeah we all do that every time that every time   my radio show is is up for uh is up for an award  I spend 100 ,000 on campaigning locally in order  

To see get people to vote I know it’s it’s Madness  I mean and also it does imply rather the Tores run   out of other donors so they haven’t used their  own money at this stage I wonder if they should  

Have to use their own money shouldn’t they sorry  they should have to use their own money yeah but   the problem with that is then people who don’t  have a huge amount of money are at a disadvantage   oh yeah know that but they should have to use  it especially when it’s when they’re certain  

To lose I think that’s the law that they have to  donate it for an useless yeah well of course and   and um and so many other things as well that they  have spent the money on and that’s why when you  

Almost have to stop yourself doing this because  you could get too angry thinking about this but   when you think if you remember back in the early  days of austerity for the first sort of year or so   of austerity Grant shaps and various people like  that would make these speeches five times a day  

Where they would say here is another example of  the waste that has happened under labor and they   would say oh Trafford counselors spent over 700 on  biscuits in the last two years that sort of thing   uh there carrier bags Lamberth Council has spent  65 billion pounds on Carrier bags unnecessarily  

And all all that sort of thing if the if the  deficit was a if the deficit was a swarm of   bees the whole of Mexico would have been stung by  the deficit all of these stupid statistics they  

Would come out with and that is the government  that then went on having used that to justify   the most vicious Cuts uh that destroyed so many  people’s lives that’s the government that then   ended up spending billions and billions on handing  contracts to their mates particularly during covid  

And in so many ways have just wasted squillions  more than they could even pretend that these that   these councils wasted that meant that they had to  bring in austerity and if you uh it’s it doesn’t  

Do to think back on it really no well exactly if  they leave government this year then they’re going   to be leaving it with an even higher debt than  they started with and I’m sure people blame it  

All in the pandemic to some extent but it’s also  to do with how you decide to spend the money isn’t   it Mike says I hope the budget is well received  this week because sunak is likely to grasp any  

Straw may go for a May general election before we  go on good news Mark what’s your betting for May   because I think May’s very likely because if  they’ve got local elections then and if they   don’t have it on the same day then when they do  have the election later they’ll find that because  

The local elections will have lost all the Tory  counselors the entire length and breadth of the   country they’ll be in a miner somewhere um they  won’t have any activists to help them campaign for  

A later election they’ve got to go for May really  what do you reckon oh I don’t know what the else   is he’s prime minister isn’t he and after the  election he’s not going to be prime minister he  

Wants to be prime minister so if he doesn’t if he  stays for another 6 months he’ll be prime minister   for another six months I don’t think it’s any any  more complicated than that is it do you think he  

Wants to be prime minister because I mean when he  came out and gave that speech in Downing Street   last Friday and said well you know everything’s  gone Hell in a handcut George Galloway’s just   got elected no Jews and Muslims are unsafe on  the streets everything’s awful wouldn’t it be  

Brilliant be brilliant If he if he came out if  he if maybe in his he’s got to make a speech as   he in defense of the budget as he I suspect if he  yeah yeah no I know but but but richy sunak could  

Have to sort of answer for it when he in questions  and if he just went oh I don’t care I wanted to   become Prime Minister my wife was disgusted with  me because I’m only got 1% of the wealth she has  

And I said but I’m a politician and so she said  yeah but you’re only Chancellor so oh so I wanted   to be prime minister and it’s put me nothing but  trouble I’ve got to talk to homeless people then I  

Getting trouble for asking them if they run their  own business and everybody oh just trouble George   go no balls to all of you I’m going I’m resigning  I’m having an election there’s nothing any of you  

Can do about it I’m not even campaigning for  it I’m going to go I’m going to go and hire an   allotment next to Jeremy Corbin and chat to him  I think he put more like go go to California and  

Spend his days roller skating up and down wouldn’t  it be brilliant though so if he just called an   election out of just being like that would be  just brilliant there’ be nothing they could do   no that you’re stuffed I doubt that’ll happen but  it would be marvelous yes well I suspect there’ll  

Be a taste of that whenever he does get round to  it but we’ll have to see won’t we now uh thank   you very much for all that Mark uh do let us know  anybody if you have any final thoughts that you  

Want to discuss about what labor can do about the  budget uh whether there should be a public inquiry   into the Battle of or grieve if you have learned  something about the Battle of orre that you didn’t  

Previously know who knows if you can tell us  something about it uh what do you think about the   budget and how it’s all going to work let us know  but in the meantime to round off we have managed  

To find some good news for you and it’s been a  grim day but we have found some good news here it is now this is a grim bit I’m afraid so at the  last general election 14,000 British voters were  

Turned away from the polls for not having ID  after you know in strange sort of deals on ID   were bought in so if you were a pensioner your  bus pass would count and if you were a student  

Your bus pass didn’t count stupid stuff like  that so hopefully some of them went home and   got their passport and came back again but even if  they did have that they’re less likely to return   once you’ve been chucked out and all the rest so  it’s basically Jerry mandering this time around  

There is a major campaign launching to get people  to register to vote hooray so they’re ready and   waiting pencils poised on polling day now Mark is  this proof you think maybe that voting for better   governments maybe ones who don’t stage pitch  battles with out of work miners ones who take  

All the money for themselves of their mates it is  always a good idea and we should encourage people   to go out and register well I should definitely  vote encourage people to go and register to vote  

I think we should also encourage people to create  a fuss about this uh old new ID business in the   first place because it’s it’s clearly just  in order to try and protect the government  

Wasn’t it it wasn’t you know as you say it was  if you are if you’re from a a counselor State   then you you’re not allowed to vote it’s like  you know all that one of these sorts of things  

Like the things they have in America where they  don’t even really pretend that it’s not uh um   fiddled exactly they just s if you’re black you  can’t vote basically in fact they used to have   that rule in America and then when they replaced  that rule because they after uh in in the Civil  

War and they decided black people could vote you  could only vote if you could pass a certain uh   literacy test was up to the the person at the  polling station to do the literacy test and if  

They thought you weren’t quite right no you can’t  vote mate so in some parts of the world if you’re   black you just didn’t get to vote which was pretty  horrific and it’s hopefully I mean if labor gets  

In they can’t really overturn this law can they  they can’t say you know ID to vote bollocks you   can all you can all come back and do what you  like they’re going to have to keep the the ID  

But hopefully they would sort of open it up why  do they have to keep the ID why can’t they scrap   that up until just now the Tories would say well  you’ve um you’ve you’ve LED it open to fraud and  

As soon as there’s one doesn’t matter what they  say if they say they and then labor say well it   was so are you saying that every election up until  the last one was fraudulent then all the elections  

And in any case nobody’s listening to you you’ve  just lost massively and now you’re at war with   yourself go away it doesn’t matter what they I  mean what what’s the point of Labor getting in  

If it’s going to go we can’t do anything the Tes  wouldn’t do because then they might as well say   to be really really safe and make sure that he  doesn’t upset Tor voters what K starma needs to  

Say is if we win the election we’re going to  let the tourist carry on oh God please don’t   know do you think that’s what labor is saying  really effectively no I don’t think it’s what   they’re saying but I think if that’s if that’s  the argument that we can’t do anything that the  

Tourist would disapprove of because they would  complain about it then that that is in effect   what you’re saying yeah you might as well let  them carry on I don’t think that is what labor   saying but that’s that’s that argument well  they’ve got a lot I I mean I my uh um I listen  

As many people do sometimes to that podcast that  aliser Campbell does with Rory Stewart and what   one of the things I find fascinating about it in  recent months is that increasingly robustly aliser   Campbell is agitated because the labor party  won’t come up with with targets if you like  

That the Tes are forced to attack and there’s  a sort of misreading of the 1997 campaign that   the that the labor party didn’t come up with  anything it just did exactly what the Tories   were doing it wasn’t that wasn’t quite the case  and the minimum wage in particular came under  

Ferocious attack from the conservatives and the  conservatives press and they that was deliberate   and that was a good campaigning strategy you  know I’m not one with new labor at all but that   was a really good thing and I think labor needs  something like that they need the equivalent of  

All these things devolution Banning Fox something  gay uh well it wasn’t marriage of hers was it but   civil Partnerships and so on it looked like it was  it looked like there was Radical change coming and   of course the conservatives went berserk about all  those things and it made them even more unpopular  

Because they were attacking things that were  clearly right people liked yeah well maybe I   mean clear and Rachel and all the rest of them  got an awful lot to do and they’ve got to do it   probably in the first couple of years they’ve  got to sort out polling ID election ID they’ve  

Got to uh sort out ndom status they got a tax  eaten until it screams basically if anyone’s   happy with them um they’ve got to uh compensate  the infected blood people apparently it’s been   breached today that the delay in compensation for  infected blood and the post office is what will be  

Leading to and paying for any tax cuts because  they’re offsetting the money in the pot that’s   for them against all right they’ve got to do um so  we actually can’t afford the tax cuts but they’re   just using the billions they’re not paying out  to people who deserve it um and they’ve got sort  

Of nuclear test veterans Battle of or grieve the  NHS education Dentistry aqueducts and God knows   what else it’s going to be an awful lot of work  for them for the first couple of years so good  

Thing it’s them and not us anyway thank you Mark  for taking us through all that thank you everyone   for taking part we will see you all again on  Wednesday morning on budget day bright and   Breezy for a dissection of exactly what kites  are being flown and what crap is being talked  

Then uh with Jason Bey so join us back here  on Wednesday for that and until then uh thank   you Mark thank you everyone for taking part and  we’ll see you on Wednesday morning till then Tatty bye

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