[Applause] he [Music] morning everybody crappy Mondays to you and welcome to the news agenda with me Fleet Street Fox and today I’m joined by comedian and friend of the show Mark Steele morning Mark hello hope you’re well aren’t we yeah for a Monday morning it’s
All a little bit chirpy but we we’ll see how we I’m sure we can get depressed and angry before now this is the people’s pay-per-view so get into the comments ask us your questions we’ll do our best to answer them for you those of you listening later on podcast will just have
To wait until Mark comes to visit your town with his Radio 4 hat on and Heckle him then instead so what have we got for you today well The Mirror Has splashed on a warning from the
Unions that broken Britain does not need any tax cuts ahead of Wednesday’s budget more on that in bit later but first I want to take us to page 13 very important you would have page 14 without it
But it’s about an ongoing cover up into the Battle of all grieve now Mark can you take us through this a little bit was this as it sounds a pivotal clash between Roundheads and Cavaliers in
The English Civil War or was it something a bit more recent see as we’ve got a photo of it it’s on the page it was yeah it was sort of more recent it was so in 1984 the miners were on strike so the
Origins of this strike is that the well on the face of it the conservative government that had been reelected about a year earlier uh under Margaret Thatcher said that it had a plan to
Shut down the mines or to shut down a number of of pits in the Britain’s coal Fields because the pits just weren’t economical Now sort of everybody knew that really this was a plan to attack the Trade union movement which was you know still pretty strong at the time and had brought down
The conservative government between 1970 and 74 a Margaret so they been to a discontent and the big all everyone was on strike and all the rest of it yeah well that was before the win discontent so this was when the trun were really were really powerful and the industrial Relations Act had
Been brought in by the conservatives and it had been completely destroyed because so many people went on strike do it wasn’t just miners but the the miners were the strongest part of the Trade union movement and if that if their Union could be broken then the Trade union movement would
Be severely weakened and that really was the the reason for it and subsequently all the things that the union said actually underestimated how much they were going to shut down the pits the tourist
Were saying this is the way to keep the the mindes of Britain going but in fact uh it they they were lying you know because they had plans to shut the pits all together so the miners went on strike
When the when it became clear that the mines were going to be shut and there was a critical battle in a place called or grief because there was a coking Depot where there was big tons and tons
And tons of coal that had been stockpiled and if the coal board could get this out to people then it would obviously really dampen the effect of the the strike um so Arthur scargle who was leader of
The national Union of Mine Workers called for a mass picket and the point of this picket was to try and prevent these lorries from getting out by talking to the the Lorry drivers and trying
To persuade them their Union was much much weaker than it had been and so on but also to physically stop the lorries getting out there weren’t enough people the unions have been weakened since the
70s there weren’t as many as there was in these pickets in the 70s and it was clear this was going to be a major battle in the strike and the South Yorkshire police clearly under instruction from the government operated with a degree of savagery that shocked people and continues to sh people it
Wasn’t just south Yorkshire was it because there were forces that got shipped in the metropolitan police from London they went all the way to where orrie is and and they they were shipping them from all over the country basically for a massive confrontation one of the pictures that we just
Saw there was of the number of police officers um with riot shields which I’m just going to explain very briefly for people on the um on the podcast there’s there’s seried ranks here of just coppers
You know with the bobies and the helmets on lined up arm in- arm in front of our miners there’s also another shot of like a bigger perspective with some fields and stuff and plants behind there were Co mounted Cavalry on horses Riot police on the horses remember that’s about a ton of horse
Flesh and they rode those horses didn’t they into the miners and here’s the picture I was talking about now you got a picture here of police officers with riot shields running basically in ranks they’re like 20 deep running up um up a an area of field looks like towards the miners
They they stormed they stampeded those lines they didn’t just stand there and uh you know hold them back they charged them didn’t they absolutely yes absolutely now this had been going on already for
A few for a few months but this was by far the biggest sort of pitch battle I mean it it was a war you know they but the police had been stopping miners they from they’ been St stopping them at
The the black wall tunnel for example they knew the registration cars of Miners and they’d stop turn them back and it was extraordinary degree there were little pit Villages where uh where leaders of you um where the most sort of prominent people in the in the local strikes where their
Houses had been just invaded and stuff by the by the police they were and they weren clearly not just operating as a as a sort of independent Force this was the government had told them this
This we are at War here the miners were called the Enemy Within by all grief was a key battling a key component of that yeah there has to be a degree of organization doesn’t there because if you’re
If there were miners in Kent in the pit villages in North Kent who wanted to get up to rotheram to join you have flying pickets that move up there and do the picketing and because they had to because there wasn’t enough other people in the union movement they’re getting stopped at black
Ho tunnel in East London by the met so there is a degree of involvement and organization trying to to block all this so in June 91 the South yoria police actually paid just under half a million in compensation to a group of about 39 minors for things that included assault wrongful arrest
Unlawful detention malicious prosecution a lot of police officers although there were a number of miners that got charged with Riot there were a number of police officers who were thought to have committed perjury possibly by giving false evidence and later it transpired that some of
The officers from South Yorkshire police that are involved at orre were also involved at Hillsboro um and they their name sort of got mentioned at the hillsbor inquest and so on so what this story is about in the paper today is there’s a whole bunch of files about this the South Yorkshire
Police archives and they’re sitting on it and they’re not publishing them and they’re closed until 2066 um that there must be mark an awful lot of Clues as to who who or what was responsible or
Any organization if there if there was some in those files why would they sit on it until 2066 well they would sit on it because they contain information that would lead us to conclude that
There was a a war which was illegal in many ways apart from being you know utterly foul and immoral and horrible uh against working people at that at that time it was really if you were sort of lucky
Enough to be young enough not to to remember this it was um it it was a really brutal time and it’s not you I think many people that have been involved in the hillsburn campaign and who
Have tried to uncover the um the truth about what happened there and the the role of the police and certain elements of the press and that in that have have said that it’s that that the links
Between this and the minor strike it was only a few years afterwards are they are they’re so obvious really and know it’s a bit like an occupying Army that suddenly starts to see uh everybody as a threat and that’s that that was the mood that was the atmosphere in Britain of the
Time I think is that if you were a if you were in the police you had been trained in conditioned to see everybody every working person as a threat if they were a football fan if they were a miner and
It was the same police force that had been in the center of both of those uh both of those horrible it it was about militancy wasn’t it really and that you know you’re you’re causing us problems
The rest of it but what I don’t understand is this was the South Yorkshire police of 1980 dot whatever it was is not the South Yorkshire police of 2024 right different officers mostly right 40 years they all retired and a fat pension now if they’re still with us uh the miners in question
Are in their 70s now most of them um if this gets held out to 2066 they’ll probably all be dead or near enough um and South Yorkshire police their job is to pursue Justice isn’t it and to arrest
People who’ve done wrong and committed crimes and if I went to court and committed perjury South Yorkshire police or the ever nearest copper would happily arrest me for something why can’t the South Yorkshire police of today have the same attitude towards the South Yorkshire police then
Is it a government thing because we’ve had labor governments in since then who should have ordered the public inquiry you should have ordered the arrest you should have said you know it’s in our interest to make thatcherism look bad let’s let’s clear clear it out why is this still going on we
Haven’t had an inquiry we haven’t had prosecutions against people who’ve done something right and we haven’t had a government that seems to have said well let’s have let’s have the truth uh no well there’s a couple of there’s a couple of things isn’t there I mean one is that the police uh do
Not necessarily do what the government tells them if the police decide that they’re going to ignore the government then they then they will do uh and the other thing is that the last Labor government didn’t want to associate itself in any way with looking like it was at all supporting the miners
Even if it was supporting the miners in as much as they were the ones in this incident that were clearly on the right side of the law because now the last the last Labor government its whole res
On Detra was to sort of was was to distance itself from that from that world the world of trading yeah it want to pretend it had nothing to do with the unions whatsoever and yeah yeah yeah
Exactly and I mean you know and and the next Labor government will be even more like that I guess you know about as you found with your compact your campaign with the mod and that you know the fact that the the current Personnel are entirely different people from the ones from 50
Years ago when all this started it’s that that’s there’s a mentality that we a cult mentality you know we’ve got to defend we’ve got to defend the the traditions of the the body that we’re in and the police are are very very good at at doing that it’s institutionalism isn’t it they
Won’t they won’t throw it over and you know all the Tory governments we’ve had since then they don’t want to kick thater because she’s the best thing that’s ever happened to them and labor wanted to blow Brown years they wanted to not move away from it and try not to matter too
Much we don’t need to kick up that particular um dust bin and so here we are but there does need to be an inquiry and it it does look increasingly like the next Labor government if we get one is
Going to have an awful loss of public inquiries and compensation to have to find So speaking of which let’s go on to the main story of the day now we’ve been retweeted by Unison because they
Care so much about this story this the main story of the day if not the week which is Wednesday’s budget all right now we’re now in this tedious business uh of expectation management by the treasury which always happens before the budgets it means that they’re lying to journalists every
Day that they’ll be spending this or cutting that or investing in the other but oh there’s no money don’t get too excited about things uh and then you know they’ll be trying desperately to produce a rabbit from the Hat on Wednesday but frankly until jamy hunt gets up on his hind legs we’re
Not really going to know what he’s gonna say but the unions today in today’s front page Mark they seem pretty certain that he’s going to announce tax cuts all right why AR they happy about tax cuts surely everyone would be happy about tax cut well because the tax cuts don’t affect everybody
Equally so tax cut if the tax cuts are for the people who are already doing all right then that’s that’s not going to make people happy if they’re not going to be affected by it but in any some
Ways I don’t think I think the problem they’ve got is that nobody’s listening like you know the the media will talk about the budget and all the excitement and what’s Jeremy Hunter a thing on
The radio this morning what’s Jeremy Hunt going to do well he could do this he could this we’ve got the economic Summer from the financial times well it could possibly with the but with the borrowing requirements and so and I think most people have just stopped listening to to them now and they
Remind me very much when I was a young comic at The Comedy Store sometimes you and it was a bit tricky sometimes The Comedy Store it could be a bit wild and Lively and drunken and and a bit bit
Never Maring oh yeah and you you had to be you had to concentrate really to do all right and sometimes you get a new comic on and and sometimes the older Comics we’ sort of we’d stand at the
Back and watch the new one and they’d get in a get in a mess and and you’d Heckle them wouldn’t you you well no you didn’t know this is the thing you didn’t need to Heckle them because people weren’t listening the chatting had start and the audience would all be talking amongst themselves
And uh and the comic you could see their eyes going and they’re panicking and their mouths getting dry and then they just rush they rushing and and then and we’d be at the back going W reck
I reckon he’s got about 20 seconds and then and it wouldn’t matter the comic could come out with the best joke in the history of language and it wouldn’t make any difference because no one was listening and then one person in the audience would just go shut up might you still here
Everyone would laugh and then they’d have to go and I think that’s where this government is at it doesn’t matter what they do it doesn’t matter they could come out with the best policy that has
Ever been dreamt of that ARIS stotle would not have had the brains to have conjure up and it wouldn’t make any people would just go I thought you’d gone mate shut up yeah and I think they’re
Stuffed and I think that’s the problem with the his budget so he might as well do anything we’re g to tax giraffes that’s how we that’s how we’re going to get the economy go anyone all giraffes
If you got a giraffe you got pay a million pounds London Zoo are completely Furious no one’s going to take any notice no exactly I tend to think that what you can tell how it’s going to go by who the
Journalists are talking to and the most and who they’re focusing on and generally whenever there’s an announcement by anything in the government they just go straight to the next government labor and go well what are you gonna do yeah because you know the big issue is not really what Jeremy
Hunt says it’s well how is Rachel re gonna find her way out of this when they come into power you know and if you know under Jeremy Corbin no one cared what John Mcdonald had to say because you
Know he would stand up and say something mildly amusing and mad and everyone will write it down but then no one actually went to them and said well now labor have got a real problem because
How are they going to get find their way out yes yeah that’s a good point didn’t happen the journalists were just like yeah it’s like watching The Bookies you once The Bookies start taking bets
And or stop taking bets on something you know how it’s all go yeah yeah yeah no I think it is a bit like that so he might as well have a laugh with it might he might as well just come
With just really we’re going to T tax is going to be be done in alphabetical order so the next month everyone whose surname begins with I or B you’re paying all the tracks hey hey what and the
Poor zorer whatever’s down the road haven’t got to pay it for 26 years no yeah think so well you know it’s we’ve got we’ve tried everything else that hasn’t worked so we could give it a go Susie now
The union seemed pretty certain that he’s gonna announce these tax cuts but the tax cuts that are being floated so far don’t really aren’t going to go to the ordinary Joe so one of the things
That it’s pointing out in the paper today is that if for example you had a one p cut in National Insurance which would make a difference of bugger all to everybody on your National Insurance bill
One p half of that it would raise about4 billion pounds all right and half of that two billion would go to the richest households the richest people in the country like the top few percent um now the other two billion doesn’t go to the poorest households the poorest households the
Actual bottom couple of percent would only get 160 million now that is less than 10% of the total the rest gets spread out somewhere in the middle so um you know it’s it’s 10% less than 10% to the
Poorest and more than half to the richest and the middle class can kind of grab what’s left do you think no Mark even if hunt did that the other way around even if he sort of you know brought
In a non-dom tax break and tax private schools and tax giraffes and Lotus Elites and and wives who have billion dollar stakes in foreign data firms and stuff like that he banned everything and somehow managed to redistribute the tax so only the poor people got it and the rich people
Just got you know just had to put up with all the many millions they’ve got already do you think the Unions would somehow decide they love the Tories would the union still find a way to moan well no
Yeah of course the unions wouldn’t love the Tores but it’s so unlikely they would do that isn’t it that’s that course yeah be like oh when Liverpool play Manchester City if Liverpool deliberately scored six goals in their own net would that make the city fans like them you know I think I think
It it will need all those things you said and much more won’t it because so many things are crumbling they’ve been under attack the austerity years did such damage and it needs a massive overhaul this
Country and the money is there for it because the the Gap in uh the gap between rich and poor is IM is it was already immense in 2010 but now it is absurdly immense and it’s grown more than it has
In other countries in Western Europe and it needs a massive overhaul and that’s why i’ sort of think you know when people say well nobody could you’ve got and Poor Labor they going have all these very difficult situations so they can’t do anything radical in 1945 what Clement Atley took over was
A little bit more tricky than what we’re going to have to put up with at the end of this government it was the end of the second world war which had been even more difficult than the years
Of austerity and they didn’t go well they didn’t send people out all day to go well it is a very difficult situation and given the Legacy we’ve been left of thousands of bombed houses because of the Blitz uh then we can’t really do anything they did the very opposite they said we’re going
To have to completely overhaul the whole place Yeahs they didn’t even have an NHS to say they were gonna protect they to start from what we need is an NHS uh I don’t see why really the current labor lot aren’t coming out saying would you know what we’ve done it before we can
Do it again but you’re than us everybody very very scared get the get the gloves on off we go um now what do you think everybody what would you like the budget to do for you whether you are in the
Richest couple of percent the poorest couple of percent somewhere in the middle what do you want Jeremy Hunt to do when he stands up on Wednesday please don’t say self-combust Mike says changes to non-dom status is a policy government have fought against for years and it’s designed just
To put the next government in a hole financially it’s sorting the Earth for labor now this is the suggestion that Jeremy Hunt might abolish non-don tax status which is the thing that a lot of Labor policy plans such as there are very few of them three plans they’ve got has been basically funded
By saying well we’ll abolish ndom tax status so if you if you don’t live in this country you’ve still got to pay some tax if you’re not British if you’re if you’re here um you can’t say you’re
Registered in you know macious and pay your taxes there you have to pay your taxes here if you live here and if your children are here and if your life is here like Mrs M she sunak
Didn’t to start with um and that is nicking the idea from labor and as Mike says basically just sort of putting the next government in a hole do you think Mark that um I suppose a lot of
The budget isn’t going to Big see as we all know the government’s going to change the budget isn’t going to be about great Tory ideas it’s it is just going to be as Mike says trying to bugger it up as
Much as possible for the next BL yeah I suppose yes definitely there’ll be a bit of that but if he was if he was a bit imaginative with that you know like my alphabetical plan and then like CU
They know that then then by the evening there’d be an interview with Rachel Reeves going are you going to reverse the uh the Chancellor’s plans to make tax alphabetical and she’d go no we are going to stick for the first two years to the tor’s alphabetical plan yeah and that’s why that’s quite
Depressing to every isn’t it now if you’re a tax if you’re a Tory right I don’t know if we’ve got any Tory voters watching this possibly possibly been frightened Away Today by just thinking Mark
Was on and just gone no that’s it I’m going to go and have to go shoot they like me I’m not going to listen to that bre um but you know if you are a Tory then a tax cut seems like a nailed on way
To win some votes they love tax cuts why doesn’t everybody love tax cuts but um like we’ve heard Tory tax cuts can be a bit unfair and also the current polling is showing that the public the
Great British public doesn’t want a tax cup they actually want while the country is in such a state they what polls are showing that three qus of people want more public spending not less and of course you got to have a tax cut by cutting something else and no one you know everything’s
Poth hold I don’t want any more Cuts I want some spending please why do you think Mark I suppose this a bit of a psychoanalytical question why do you think the Tories are still going for this are
They blindly following an ideology we must cut taxes that’s who we are or are they in complete denial like Liz trust going well this will work it’s fine and they think everyone’s just going to come to their way of thinking by day maybe I think I think they think that this this always
Works this always works at every election you say labor will raise taxes and spend all your money they’ll come around and take your pets and sell them and use the money to give to the unions
And all this stuff that they will say and they will still say at the next election about Kier stor even though that’s so utterly absurd but they will do it that is what they have always done and
They believe that it they can’t understand what it I mean in the first election that Corin for they got completely um uh they got completely confused didn’t they because they would say all of these things that normally work and then they didn’t they would say Labor’s going to raise taxes and so
On and kin said yes I know that he was a disaster in the the second election he F but and then when it doesn’t work they just don’t understand it it’s like um it’s like a scientist suddenly seeing that
That something that always happens isn’t happening you know yeah they tend to they seem to ask what’s wrong with the voters yeah oppos to what’s wrong with us they don’t have that moment of sort of
Introspection do they yes so they believe that if we say labor is just going to spend all your money and you know it worked in 1992 and it’s worked in various other elections labor will tax you and
Make you sell all your relatives and stuff like that you’ll have to sck all your you’ll have to prize open all your floor boards and Labor’s new floor boards tax all of that label suar relatives and we’ll only tax giraffes vote for us yeah everything will be fine I think this you
Think you’re right this time none of it none of it works and it’s partly because the there isn’t an enthusiasm for tax cuts over Services because so many people are affected by that even people who aren’t directly affected by it their families are and so on they’ve seen out what happens when
All these things get cut but um but also because nobody believes what the Tes are saying anyway we just don’t believe them they’re incompetent they’re useless and I think that that’s obviously it’s big generalization to say that’s what people are thinking but clearly that is what millions of
People including millions of people who voted for Boris Johnson are thinking that and I think even if even if their votes don’t go to labor they won’t go back to the conservatives as that you know they by election the other day when labor made such a magnificent effort of I thought it was
Very I thought it was very imaginative of Labor to hand the running of the Rochdale byelection to the very first person who’ got knocked out of last year Apprentice that level of stupidity there oh he did didn’t he well you know Celebrity Big Brothers starting again I think this yes but if
The Tory vote collapsed and even when the labor candidate was non-existent was literally didn’t exist because they’ve been swn by labor then those votes didn’t go back to the Tories they went to either an independent guy or to George Galloway so people were the people including many people
Who voted Tori before would rather vote for anyone than go back to the conservatives so I think that’s the pickle it that Jeremy I think what they haven’t quite figured out is that the
For brexit in many ways was a vote for more public spending it was a sort of a creder and a complaint that things weren’t great and we needed some cash back from the EU and we don’t want to spend as
Much money on that we want to spend the money on this and they seem to think it was a vote for you know anti-immigration and we hate foreigners and we want more business deregulation and all the
Rest well it was that as well though wasn’t it it was a bit yeah it was quite a bit of racism let’s face it but I think a lot of it was also we want more spending on stuff that’s important to us
And that bit seems to just bypassed them totally well as a person of Kent Susie you’ll know that a lot of the people in Kent will have voted brexit because they thought there were too many uh too
Many immigrants and now the population of Kent is gone up to about 30 million 29 million of which a Romanian truck driver struck on the M2 exactly they are but I want to point out that uh Tommy
Dwells and Canterbury both voted remain okay also Kent was the only place that wasn’t conquered in 1066 all right so the People’s Republic is yeah speakers of Kent person himself side of theway mate no [Laughter] you’re be careful when there’s a civil war with you yeah we don’t speak to people
In the other side of the Medway they’re they’re wrongin they let the conquer in now what does get getting back the thing we’re talking about was toy tax cuts what does do about this because Rachel
Ree’s done all these sums she and K have been really cautious and said oh we don’t have much money know then we’re going to get into Downing Street and they’re going to find JY Hunt’s already
Done some of the stuff they wanted to do um what do you think everybody what should labor do with this can they do anything do you feel really sorry for them the goat the greatest of all time
1892 says starma has too much power in the labor party and no Integrity however the alternative of five more years of the Tories is not an option you sound complet completely um a drift a bit
There the go as to know what to do with your vote hopefully you’re going to do something with it um I think having a bit more power in the leader rather than membership is probably a reversal of what we had under Corbin and therefore perhaps it’s going to make a difference to electability
Which is why we do it Leslie says when are we voters going to realize the difference between spending our taxes on us and spending our taxes on political friends to gain funding for the next election now this is something you might not have heard this morning Mark Jeremy Hunt has had
A donation of £100,000 to his constituency party who do you think the donor was yeah it was him wasn’t it it was him he paid his own constituency a hundred grand yeah presumably for leafleting and
Staff costs and rent and just to keep it all to yeah we all do that every time that every time my radio show is is up for uh is up for an award I spend 100 ,000 on campaigning locally in order
To see get people to vote I know it’s it’s Madness I mean and also it does imply rather the Tores run out of other donors so they haven’t used their own money at this stage I wonder if they should
Have to use their own money shouldn’t they sorry they should have to use their own money yeah but the problem with that is then people who don’t have a huge amount of money are at a disadvantage oh yeah know that but they should have to use it especially when it’s when they’re certain
To lose I think that’s the law that they have to donate it for an useless yeah well of course and and um and so many other things as well that they have spent the money on and that’s why when you
Almost have to stop yourself doing this because you could get too angry thinking about this but when you think if you remember back in the early days of austerity for the first sort of year or so of austerity Grant shaps and various people like that would make these speeches five times a day
Where they would say here is another example of the waste that has happened under labor and they would say oh Trafford counselors spent over 700 on biscuits in the last two years that sort of thing uh there carrier bags Lamberth Council has spent 65 billion pounds on Carrier bags unnecessarily
And all all that sort of thing if the if the deficit was a if the deficit was a swarm of bees the whole of Mexico would have been stung by the deficit all of these stupid statistics they
Would come out with and that is the government that then went on having used that to justify the most vicious Cuts uh that destroyed so many people’s lives that’s the government that then ended up spending billions and billions on handing contracts to their mates particularly during covid
And in so many ways have just wasted squillions more than they could even pretend that these that these councils wasted that meant that they had to bring in austerity and if you uh it’s it doesn’t
Do to think back on it really no well exactly if they leave government this year then they’re going to be leaving it with an even higher debt than they started with and I’m sure people blame it
All in the pandemic to some extent but it’s also to do with how you decide to spend the money isn’t it Mike says I hope the budget is well received this week because sunak is likely to grasp any
Straw may go for a May general election before we go on good news Mark what’s your betting for May because I think May’s very likely because if they’ve got local elections then and if they don’t have it on the same day then when they do have the election later they’ll find that because
The local elections will have lost all the Tory counselors the entire length and breadth of the country they’ll be in a miner somewhere um they won’t have any activists to help them campaign for
A later election they’ve got to go for May really what do you reckon oh I don’t know what the else is he’s prime minister isn’t he and after the election he’s not going to be prime minister he
Wants to be prime minister so if he doesn’t if he stays for another 6 months he’ll be prime minister for another six months I don’t think it’s any any more complicated than that is it do you think he
Wants to be prime minister because I mean when he came out and gave that speech in Downing Street last Friday and said well you know everything’s gone Hell in a handcut George Galloway’s just got elected no Jews and Muslims are unsafe on the streets everything’s awful wouldn’t it be
Brilliant be brilliant If he if he came out if he if maybe in his he’s got to make a speech as he in defense of the budget as he I suspect if he yeah yeah no I know but but but richy sunak could
Have to sort of answer for it when he in questions and if he just went oh I don’t care I wanted to become Prime Minister my wife was disgusted with me because I’m only got 1% of the wealth she has
And I said but I’m a politician and so she said yeah but you’re only Chancellor so oh so I wanted to be prime minister and it’s put me nothing but trouble I’ve got to talk to homeless people then I
Getting trouble for asking them if they run their own business and everybody oh just trouble George go no balls to all of you I’m going I’m resigning I’m having an election there’s nothing any of you
Can do about it I’m not even campaigning for it I’m going to go I’m going to go and hire an allotment next to Jeremy Corbin and chat to him I think he put more like go go to California and
Spend his days roller skating up and down wouldn’t it be brilliant though so if he just called an election out of just being like that would be just brilliant there’ be nothing they could do no that you’re stuffed I doubt that’ll happen but it would be marvelous yes well I suspect there’ll
Be a taste of that whenever he does get round to it but we’ll have to see won’t we now uh thank you very much for all that Mark uh do let us know anybody if you have any final thoughts that you
Want to discuss about what labor can do about the budget uh whether there should be a public inquiry into the Battle of or grieve if you have learned something about the Battle of orre that you didn’t
Previously know who knows if you can tell us something about it uh what do you think about the budget and how it’s all going to work let us know but in the meantime to round off we have managed
To find some good news for you and it’s been a grim day but we have found some good news here it is now this is a grim bit I’m afraid so at the last general election 14,000 British voters were
Turned away from the polls for not having ID after you know in strange sort of deals on ID were bought in so if you were a pensioner your bus pass would count and if you were a student
Your bus pass didn’t count stupid stuff like that so hopefully some of them went home and got their passport and came back again but even if they did have that they’re less likely to return once you’ve been chucked out and all the rest so it’s basically Jerry mandering this time around
There is a major campaign launching to get people to register to vote hooray so they’re ready and waiting pencils poised on polling day now Mark is this proof you think maybe that voting for better governments maybe ones who don’t stage pitch battles with out of work miners ones who take
All the money for themselves of their mates it is always a good idea and we should encourage people to go out and register well I should definitely vote encourage people to go and register to vote
I think we should also encourage people to create a fuss about this uh old new ID business in the first place because it’s it’s clearly just in order to try and protect the government
Wasn’t it it wasn’t you know as you say it was if you are if you’re from a a counselor State then you you’re not allowed to vote it’s like you know all that one of these sorts of things
Like the things they have in America where they don’t even really pretend that it’s not uh um fiddled exactly they just s if you’re black you can’t vote basically in fact they used to have that rule in America and then when they replaced that rule because they after uh in in the Civil
War and they decided black people could vote you could only vote if you could pass a certain uh literacy test was up to the the person at the polling station to do the literacy test and if
They thought you weren’t quite right no you can’t vote mate so in some parts of the world if you’re black you just didn’t get to vote which was pretty horrific and it’s hopefully I mean if labor gets
In they can’t really overturn this law can they they can’t say you know ID to vote bollocks you can all you can all come back and do what you like they’re going to have to keep the the ID
But hopefully they would sort of open it up why do they have to keep the ID why can’t they scrap that up until just now the Tories would say well you’ve um you’ve you’ve LED it open to fraud and
As soon as there’s one doesn’t matter what they say if they say they and then labor say well it was so are you saying that every election up until the last one was fraudulent then all the elections
And in any case nobody’s listening to you you’ve just lost massively and now you’re at war with yourself go away it doesn’t matter what they I mean what what’s the point of Labor getting in
If it’s going to go we can’t do anything the Tes wouldn’t do because then they might as well say to be really really safe and make sure that he doesn’t upset Tor voters what K starma needs to
Say is if we win the election we’re going to let the tourist carry on oh God please don’t know do you think that’s what labor is saying really effectively no I don’t think it’s what they’re saying but I think if that’s if that’s the argument that we can’t do anything that the
Tourist would disapprove of because they would complain about it then that that is in effect what you’re saying yeah you might as well let them carry on I don’t think that is what labor saying but that’s that’s that argument well they’ve got a lot I I mean I my uh um I listen
As many people do sometimes to that podcast that aliser Campbell does with Rory Stewart and what one of the things I find fascinating about it in recent months is that increasingly robustly aliser Campbell is agitated because the labor party won’t come up with with targets if you like
That the Tes are forced to attack and there’s a sort of misreading of the 1997 campaign that the that the labor party didn’t come up with anything it just did exactly what the Tories were doing it wasn’t that wasn’t quite the case and the minimum wage in particular came under
Ferocious attack from the conservatives and the conservatives press and they that was deliberate and that was a good campaigning strategy you know I’m not one with new labor at all but that was a really good thing and I think labor needs something like that they need the equivalent of
All these things devolution Banning Fox something gay uh well it wasn’t marriage of hers was it but civil Partnerships and so on it looked like it was it looked like there was Radical change coming and of course the conservatives went berserk about all those things and it made them even more unpopular
Because they were attacking things that were clearly right people liked yeah well maybe I mean clear and Rachel and all the rest of them got an awful lot to do and they’ve got to do it probably in the first couple of years they’ve got to sort out polling ID election ID they’ve
Got to uh sort out ndom status they got a tax eaten until it screams basically if anyone’s happy with them um they’ve got to uh compensate the infected blood people apparently it’s been breached today that the delay in compensation for infected blood and the post office is what will be
Leading to and paying for any tax cuts because they’re offsetting the money in the pot that’s for them against all right they’ve got to do um so we actually can’t afford the tax cuts but they’re just using the billions they’re not paying out to people who deserve it um and they’ve got sort
Of nuclear test veterans Battle of or grieve the NHS education Dentistry aqueducts and God knows what else it’s going to be an awful lot of work for them for the first couple of years so good
Thing it’s them and not us anyway thank you Mark for taking us through all that thank you everyone for taking part we will see you all again on Wednesday morning on budget day bright and Breezy for a dissection of exactly what kites are being flown and what crap is being talked
Then uh with Jason Bey so join us back here on Wednesday for that and until then uh thank you Mark thank you everyone for taking part and we’ll see you on Wednesday morning till then Tatty bye
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