Marriage rates are on the decline birth rates are on the decline young men are not having relationships there’s an interesting divide politically where women seem to be skewing leftward and Men seem to be skewing to the right and I believe uh it’s plainly obvious there is a strong moral decay in this country
And in the West in general which has led to a lot of interesting conversations around dating masculinity uh Jordan Peterson of course becomes extremely Popular by telling young men to clean their rooms and lift heavy things Andrew Tate becomes extremely popular for for similar reasons maybe young men are
Looking for strong and masculine role models that can teach them how to be uh strong men and they’re not getting that anymore or maybe something else is going on so we’re going to talk about all of that we’re going to debate a bunch and uh let’s talk about the death of the
Western man and his Revival we got a couple of guests uh do you want to introduce yourself first rasi I’m the co-host of axis V also the rational male the author of the rational male as well as the five book series the rational male right on and good sir I’m Timothy J
Gordon I’m the author of the case for patriarchy and I run an online show called uh rules for retrogrades thanks for all right Ian’s hanging out hi everyone good to see you guys I thought I thought it would be interesting to ask Ian here because uh he recently started
Working out and it’s it’s it’s spiking his testosterone and he’s getting angrier and he just he just working out the other day aggression issues I didn’t know but Ro you play Magic the Gathering so I’m glad I’m here yes I’m a I’m a closet nerd so uh I think we’re all in
Agreement that the patriarchy is a good thing and men should be in charge of it all thank you for hanging out and that’s our show what is it how do you Define patriarchy goodby how do you define it the patriarchy power to fathers it’s all about family and uh that’s literally
What the term means is power to fathers in this country I I hope we’re going to talk about the declining interest in in men and family and of course patriarchy is all about men who are siring children with with one wife monogamously and it’s being made unattractive to them by by a
Kind of design from the top I don’t I I don’t know is if it’s Latin or Greek or whatever Ary meaning authority patriar meaning the male father rule Pat patris yeah is it Latin yeah okay there you go Latin route Latin route cuz I know I I I
I learned a little bit from my good Anarchist friends when they tried to explain Anarchy means without Authority yeah there you go so patriarchy means authority to the dudes and uh well so what are we in right now if we’re not in a patriarchy are we in a patriarchy
We’re in a gynocentric social order is what we’re really in right now gynocentric gentric social order all right explain that well I mean it’s honestly I think that there’s probably a lot of crossover between like say patriarchy and red pill you know red pill thought let’s just say but let’s
Let’s let’s pause real quick uh there’s a big difference between like Maga red pill and the red pill you’re describing yeah you got to yeah maybe you should clarify terms here um as far as a red pill is concerned the way that I approach it is through intersexual
Dynamics that’s it nothing more nothing less I’m not talking about politics I’m not talking about philosophy I’m not talking about anything else it’s strictly intersexual Dynamics so um and and this I believe uh the the concept of the red pill the way you’re describing it predates Maga and politics oh yeah
Well you got to remember like I’ve been doing this the material I guess for 22 years now so like really since about 2004 20 2 somewhere around there uh the early pickup artist days all the way up through you know what became the manosphere what became the red pill what
We call that what we call it today so um I I think a lot of it gets bastardized especially during election Seasons like right around 2015 2016 you got a Candace Owens who used to call herself you know red pill black that was her her first Twitter handle I I remember those days
Too because I remember when you used to strap a GoPro to your head and you’d go down to Berkeley you know go and see if somebody’s going to stir something up there you know milonopoulos or an um but we go we tend to go in cycles and
I think that a lot of people sort of appropriate the red pill to like you know represent whatever their you know their pet ideology happens to be and usually it comes up like during election season same thing happened 2019 2020 same thing happening right now yeah I
Think of it as like an Awakening like from The Matrix comes from that movie like do you want to take the red pill and wake up and see reality as it is or do you want to take the blue pill like breaking breaking the cycle of of seeing
Things one way and then being aware a new I when I refer to red pill I refer to it as red pill awareness so what is it in terms of the you intersexual Dynamics how do you what is the red pill in regards to that I mean a lot of it I
Think a lot of the what we call Red Pill right now is sort of a bastardization of really what is the praxiology of the red pill which is um it’s it’s it’s essentially just data it’s essentially just understanding data and then uh forming opinions and are are you
Familiar with the UDA Loop o o I’ve heard that before what is it it’s a it’s a military term but it’s also like ERS use it as well it’s uh observe Orient um decide and act so of the first two observe and Orient that would be the red
Pill like understanding what’s going on orienting yourself to what’s going on decide and act is is really sort of the practice what are you going to do with the information that you already have so when I’m referring to the red pill it’s about intersexual Dynamics but it’s about understanding the stats it’s
Understanding the The Da the data first orienting to that data interpreting it and then deciding and then acting that’s usually where you’ve got like say pearl Davis or you’ve got you know Andrew Tate or these some people who want to go out there and make a living or go
Commercialize the decide and the ACT part of that oo Loop right there why don’t we uh start from the beginning and identify what the problem is today and I mentioned both of your guys’ perspective on what the problem is I don’t know if someone wants to jump in first uh
Problem with like with young men today or yeah well well so we we we know that there’s a problem young men aren’t having kids they not getting married they’re uh stunted in Japan they’ve had this thing going on for for quite a bit I’m sure you know hii kamori you
Familiar with this it’s been around for a while yeah yeah for those sh exactly for those that aren’t familiar it’s this uh it’s a specific wave describing kid like young men who lock themselves in their room do nothing all day play video games don’t exercise don’t get sunlight
Don’t work uh what what what what do we call that in America not in education training uh needss not not in education employment or training and so uh or it’s it’s similar MH why is that happening I think it’s because we have the ability to do that right now because we have the
Luxury of being able to do those things we live in a I mean Western societies right now it’s those young men can do that yeah we’ve never been a more sedated Society than we are right now so we sedate ourselves with with pornography we sedate ourselves with the
Internet we sedate ourselves with video games we sedate ourselves with weed we sedate ourselves with alcohol with uh you prescription opiates name your sedation right now and I will point out where in society it is Affordable and it’s a luxury that we can we can have
Right now simply because we live in you know a very rich society and I I would I would agree with all of those problems role is just identified but I would I would add this Loop that egalitarianism is the real beginning it began in 1848 at something called the senic of alls
Convention of of first W feminists these were the worst sorts of feminists and we’ve all bought the Trope that first wave feminism was somehow good so we have sex egalitarianism telling brainwashing men and women that they’re the same thing uh brainwashing Christians that they’re the same thing
That that women need to be in the workforce um U basically a a non-Christian view of human sexuality was was pushed on young Christian men um that you know whe whether it’s a combination of sort of Muslim and Jewish views about sexuality um Christianity mocked marriage and family
Spurned and it’s it’s interesting when you look at what’s coming down from FBI CIA NSA um really a a negative view of marriage pushed in in Hollywood by by something I call um Moon Beasley complex right women are fun romantic feminine while they’re looking to court a man and
Then as soon as they get engaged you put a ring on it they’re depicted like dapne moon or Pam Beasley as uh furrowing the brow and then marriage the boot comes down and it’s hell and this is predicted programming this is destroying quick question Rolo are you a Christian yes okay just just
Wondering if you know uh what I find interesting we we’ve talked about this quite a bit when it comes up but I despise Married with Children you ever see that show yes yeah uh I was a kid I could never get behind that show uh
Wasn’t funny uh I don’t know if it was funny or not I was a little kid so all I know is it came on every night I’d want to watch The Simpsons and when uh but Simpsons also has its problems too but at the very least Homer and Marge love
Each other very very much and I thought it was funny that Homer would strangle Bart and uh you know that was alcoholic abusive father yeah seriously it was funny be real now it was funny it wasn’t healthy but but what I hated about made with children was um they hate each
Other so much and so you know when I’m a kid I was just like wow this is what marriage is all the time I heard adults making jokes about marriage is awful you don’t want to get married everyone hates their marriages Prime Time television saying G getting married geez I hate my
Wife but the thing is on that people all identified Tim that married with Children was UNS subtly about hating marriage what happened what really came in in the late 80s early 90s you see it I I pick the the office in Frasier because they’re two of the biggest
Sitcoms of all time you see what Daphne Moon and Pam Beasley that very romantic relationships are are are begun the standard way with with gender non-egalitarian M the woman is Fe feminine the man is masculine Jim and Pam they were America’s Sweethearts but with moon beastley complex which is predictive programming
That’s distinguishable from Married with Children what you have is the foot slowly coming down and by the time literally if you go to Seasons 7 8 9 10 11 of Frasier once Niles and Daphne together I don’t know if you guys remember that show one of the greatest
Of all time she’s just frowning every every sing single shot of Daphne now Niles’s wife she’s she’s miserable she’s so she’s so pleasant and lovely before that and then it slowly turns when they get together and get engaged and it’s the exact same character Arc in the nine
Seasons of the office this is predictive programming and it comes down from the top and it’s it’s part of you also have the the the archetype of the sort of the doofy dad like you mentioning Homer Simpson like that’s those are the those are the archetypes you’re you’re really
Since the well I guess 70s early ‘ 80s through where we are right now you basically have three archetypes you’ve got the doofy dad Who Needs Mom Marge to save him from himself right you know she’s with her feminine wild she’s going to be the one who’s going to like sort
Of you her intuition right she’s going to save him from like you know setting the house on fire maybe sometimes I don’t know I don’t know if I agree that and then there’s so then there’s the other archetypes the other archetype is the borderline abuser the guy who’s like
He’s just a controlling domineering possessive son of a [ __ ] who is just this side of like sending her to a you know women’s shelter and then there’s the guy to the moon to the Moon yeah yeah exactly Jackie Gleason yeah Jackie gleon archetype and then there’s the
Really more in recent times I think it’s the incompetent guy it’s the more Millennial SL genz Zoomer guy who doesn’t know how to drive a stick he doesn’t know how to tie you know how tie a tie he doesn’t know how to do you know he’s incompetent so those are really
Sort of the three archetypes that women think that they have to choose from and they don’t want to choose from any of see I got to give a shout out to Futurama back when we had good shows I mean they’re they’re bringing it back I guess but in it’s like the first episode
I think they go to the moon and uh Fry and Leela characters in the show are doing a Moon tour and it’s like and here’s the history of moon exploration and it was Whalers on the moon and then they show a clip where it’s like here’s a reenactment from early American
Astronauts and it’s Jackie gleon going going one of these days hang zoom straight to the moon and then Leela’s like I didn’t realize your astronauts were so fat it’s like he’s not an astronaut he was just using space travel for as a metaphor for beating his wife
It’s funny because it’s true I’ve got this train of thought now that you mentioned 1848 the beginning of this was the femin the rise of the so is this like with Hyper industrialist movement to get the women into the workforce get Women rights to get them out on their
Feet cuz this is like right around when the railroads are starting to get the 1800s like industrialization and then that leads to corporate oligopoly which leads to Communism like no fault divorce in the’80s but like this this all part of the think it’s any maybe he’ll confer
With this I don’t think it’s any coincidence that Marxism and feminism came up right around the same time um sure I would I would argue that uh in the initial right after Senate I always when I talk about feminism I don’t talk about it in waves because I don’t
Believe there were any waves I think it’s the same [ __ ] thing that it’s been for forever okay um it’s only been interrupted by Wars and civil unrest and when we got to the point where it was uh what 1920 is when we had the 19th Amendment ratified right it was the
Suffet movement was supposed to be just so we can get our women can get their right to vote and everything but it was much more than that uh they were referred to as terrorists back then in the United States and in the UK at that time I mean seriously bombing like
Police pre syins planning assassinations things like that there’s a really great book it’s called the uh the suffrage up bombers and it goes through like the new cycle of what was going on during that time and really they were referred to as terrorists right up until May maybe the
Early 1900s and then by the time we get to 1920 and we ratify the eight or the 19th Amendment um now we’ve go we move from the suffragette into like feminism proper and until we get to about 1965 when we have the Advent of hormonal birth control we are interrupted by two
World wars um you know the God knows how many different revolutions and everything else but it’s no coincidence that the EI either Marxism was sort of a tandem to that or if it was something that was um that that picked up on the movement and sort of found like a common
Ground together you know it’s interesting you said there’s no waves cuz I’m just thinking now feminism is one Beast that kind of changes shape as technology changes radio we have to stop thinking of it in waves because I think a lot of people say well first wave feminism was great no they were
Considered terrorists back then yeah this is I I hate agreeing uh with everyone it’s okay man agree on about 85% of [ __ ] up top here we are like actually it’s really really important chapter two of of case for patriarchy I I trace it out from 1848 um which is
Memorialized in a document called Declaration of grievances by uh Elizabeth Katie ston who was this literal witch who was running things at 1848 and they itemize the big goals of feminism then and it’s it’s really staggering to people when they see I I go line item first wave feminism
Mallerie and Kate Millet second wave feminism from a 1970s New York boardroom where they’re making a chant of what does second way feminism stand for it is selfsame like rer just said sex egalitarianism convince people from the top that men and women aren’t aren’t different we’re we’re totally different we’re totally polarized contraception
Women in the workpl uh women out of the home and be equally promiscuous to match this this Lilith view of of men that that the feminists have that all comes right out of the 1848 document also get women in clergy which is like fourth wave feminism so this can’t be
Overstated possibly one thing that uh We’ve we’ve talked about about is uh the lack of civic responsibility that women uh retained despite getting the right to vote and so my view is pretty much uh you want to be equal then you have equal responsibilities along with those equal rights and those responsibilities are
Literally everything how is it that today men are required to sign up for the draft but women are not but women expect full Civic privilege oh it goes borse than just that selective Services is so well I mean you’re not even a okay if you want to be a naturalized citizen
In the United States and you’re eight you’re male and you’re 18 you have to sign up for Selective services in fact you cannot be a CI literally you cannot be a citizen in the United States if you want to be a naturalized citizen in the
United States if you do not sign up for Selective Services if you do this there’s also the I mean you can incur up to like A4 million dollars in in jail yeah you can go to jail you cannot in some states you can’t hold a driver’s license you’re never going to get a
Government job you can’t run for office uh unless you sign up for Selective services and all based on whether you have a penis or you have a vagina so I actually think one of the quickest ways to resolve a lot of these issues quite literally is for all men to mandate or
Or or I shouldn’t say mandate but to demand equal civic responsibility with equal civil rights anybody who wants Civic privileges has to be held responsible to the same degree if men and women are the same women should not have that privilege of avoiding the draft of course the and but real quick
The reality is I get these conservatives then going Jim wants to draft women no it’s because outright liberals would reject the premise they would I guarantee you if you go to women and say vote right now you have the right to vote and you get drafted or you can’t
Vote and you can’t be drafted 60 70% say don’t do not draft me I I would rather not vote I don’t care about voting anyway so ask that question and see what the result you get is but I I I actually think fine if in in any capacity anybody
Wants to participate in our society they have to have the same responsibility as everybody else but the the problem with this is as you know you’re just trying to demonstrate the inequality equality equality it’s it’s hegelian dialectic false equality and and that’s basically the the gynocentric society that Rolo is
Talking about is that everything in society is geared toward lending the appearance of equality with men when it comes to benefits but not burdens and and this you could take it to War I take it to female sports um we anym though no no no think about think about uh Steph
Curry versus whatever the noname girl is okay okay so I’m a big big basketball guy I’m not I know her name yeah well no no no but this is the other one that’s the college one there’s a a pro one that they put they paired alongside Steph
Curry in the NBA as if they were shooting the same ball she wasn’t shooting a basketball she wasn’t shooting a regulation siiz ball so it’s all bread in circuses and and she she did really well and it’s like but you’re you’re throwing a softball this guy’s throwing a baseball it’s a different
Sport sports are fundamentally masculine and yet conser conservatives today will jump all over if you’re like okay sports are fundamentally masculine they’re they’re training for military I I hope we all agree on that um maybe not but conservatives will jump all over your case if you’re like okay so it’s gender
Dysphoria for a man to want to play a man’s sport once you’ve stuck a woman in there I agree that’s gender dysphoria but I think we’re disagreeing as to where it becomes dysphoric typical conservatives today will say well women should have their own League why if it’s if it’s egalitarian why
Should they have their own league if if we really believe that women are basically just low functioning men which is not what I believe I believe women are beautiful U HS of of of babies and they they create What’s um good and beautiful in the world what’s craftly in
The world what men want to fight for women are great cheerleaders men are the ones going out playing the sports so why are we sticking them fakely next to Steph Curry as if they could comp when everyone knows they they they can’t it’s laughable too because uh we’re we’re
Launching this big skate thing we’ve April 6 is our big opening for the boonies and we’re getting uh flak because I have a ton of video segments I’ve done where I said female skateboarders are the if there is any sport where you can see the distinction plain as day it is
Skateboarding uh when I watch Tennis I know nothing about tennis I see two wom play tennis I see the ball go back and forth and I’m like okay I watch two men play tennis I see the ball go back and forth I say okay I don’t really understand the difference in the court
Size or the rackets or the speed or any of that stuff but you watch skateboarding and you watch a dude do a double back flip over a 100 foot Gap and then fly up 47 feet in the air slam and hit the ground and then walk away from
It and then you watch women do that and they just jump and they do no trick at all you’re like okay wait well the women are literally doing nothing the men are doing these crazy aerial acrobatics you to the Layman you can literally watch female skateboarding and I mean no
Disrespect to the Fe I have friends who are are female skateboarders many of them you can plainly see the gap between males and females in skateboarding is it’s it’s it’s 100x it is it is insane we watched we we pulled up I think it was on the culture War we pulled up an
Xgame Street skateboarding women’s and uh yeah it was on the show we were talking with some skateboarders and we were bring up the difference between male and females and skateboarding and the best female skaters in the world are as good as 12-year-old boys who’ve been skating for 4 months MH and then you
Watch the best men in the world and I’m I I can do a playby playay and be like never in my life no matter how hard I try would I get to that level these are the cream of the crop the best of the best guys that that are doing things we
Couldn’t even imagine were possible you watch the women and you’re like I’m 38 semi-retired and I I could do all those tricks I’m an old man this is universal to all the sports though I I don’t love tennis do you know the story of carsten
Brash no the German he was ranked 101 oh when he when he beat the sisters the Williams sisters they were like look we think we want to calibrate cuz women aren’t aren’t as good at men as sports but we think that we could beat the 100
Rank men’s tennis this is car and Brash so they they start talking [ __ ] to him hey let’s play he drinks a beer smokes a Sig he goes over I forget who he plays first Serena I think I I don’t know the difference um and he beats her uh what
Whatever it is four to one handily 5 to one whatever it is then the other sister comes up and he beats her for love and he I I mean I think he drank another beer in between and afterwards they he was drunk he yeah he was probably drunk
And I’m and she still shouldn’t have gotten that score on him that’s my problem with him but he she was like I’ve never seen a ball coming at me that fast this is not the same sport so what we have to start telling young ladies is
Go back to cheerleading be there on the side and don’t do something that you’re bound to be less good at it’s setting up to fail you see this uh I think it was the Fallon Fox uh incident in MMA 12 years ago or whatever the female
Fighters did not know they were going up against a male one woman had her skull cracked and she said I’ve never felt something a strike so powerful before I think what happens is we’ve socialized people from a very young age and I and I you know what I blame comic books and
Cartoons I I I we’ about this uh watching X-Men or other cartoons and you’re a kid there is no distinction between males and females they are both superpowers they’re both equally as powerful right so then I I think you get young women who grow up on this stuff
And they’re maybe when they’re young teenagers the the distinctions are different but after 14 15 right you look at male grip strength the average male is stronger than the strongest female in terms of grip strength which is it’s like a wild thing to consider then you
End up I think with many Wom women who begin entering Sports genuinely believing that there is no distinction not all women I think a lot of women clearly understand that men and women are very different but a lot of women are probably thinking like until they
Get punched in the face until until like Mike Tyson says everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face until they end up in an MMA ring right fighting with a biological male and take one strike and their skull cracks and we don’t want that to happen no but the the
The the the leftist worldview the blank slate Theory says it’s fine was going next is the the entire this entire conversation I’ve had this a million times is it’s it’s founded on two things one is the blank slate um the other thing is social constructionism we think
That be if we pair up the blank slate like everybody’s equal everybody has a an equal chance we’re all we’re all basically the same except for the plumbing and other than that we’re all you know everybody can do what everybody else can then you have the social construction narrative that goes along
With that everything that you’re about is because Society embedded it in you both of those are patently false and we’ve gone from let’s say like right around 2000 once we have the internet the rise of the internet we have more and more um access to information these
Days we can see empirically that men and women are different we can see empirically that men and men are different and women and women are different so when we’re talking about uh female skateboarders I think within that context of that particular sport there are some women who are going to excel in
That sport within the context of it being a female division sport but then there’s also men who are going to be playing at a different level in in uh the context of a male sport but the the the fundamental difference here is we have been uh acculturated and socialized
For so long to believe that the blank slate is something that we all should aspire to we we can make a better society as a result of it or egalitarianism as you were saying that’s really where egalitarian comes from it comes from this communitarian way of thinking about things rather than a
Hierarchical way of thinking things for men men tend to organize uh Societies in hierarchies women tend to organiz it in the round it tends to be more communitarian because it takes a village to raise a child they’re more interested in sort of the collective whereas men
Are always trying to get one step up above each other so that’s how we that’s how we rank our our our soldiers in you know the the hierarchy of like say you know you’re the konel and the chain of command right same thing applies to our businesses you’re the CEO you’re the COO
You’re the CFO you’re whatever down all to the janitor right so we tend to organize things in hierarchies women tend to organize it in the round ever since right around like say the the post sexual Revolution era we have been organizing Society in the round we’ve been organizing it in egalitarian terms
In communitarian terms at the expense of all of these institutions let’s just say that were prior organized via hierarchy so when we’re talking about patriarchy patriarchy is a hierarchy whereas for matriarchy ideally anyways should be in the round it should be something that’s more egalitarian the problem is is
That’s no way to organize Society either one one way or the other where we’re where we’re we’re grossing out in one or we’re grossing out in the other right now that’s why I kept saying we live in a gynocentric social order ever since we’ve had hormonal birth control because
That was the great equalizer from as far back as say 1965 so what we’re seeing right now is we’re like whenever you see what was it the um the uh the guy who was the swimmer who was like the number 427th male swimmer becomes the number one female swimmer when he declares that
He actually identifies as a female now he’s the number one now he wins because he’s biologically a male who is competing in the context of a female support uh you know sport in this case it’s swimming right and we go oh yes that’s we love that well that’s fine
When it’s swimming it’s not so fine when now you got to go and do an MMA fight and somebody’s going to get their skull cracked because we still believe that men and women should be equal and they should be able to do this until the rubber meets the road right well I I’ve
Got some bad news for you aolo uh did you know we have the story you can p him k Clark makes history surpassing Steph Curry’s three-point record oh my gosh did you know that she beat his record and all she had to do was have a
Three-point line that was 2 FO 3 in shorter than his and a smaller ball and a smaller ball going into the same C also here’s a that’s that’s a good example now here’s the other thing that happens is when when women want to compete in those areas they have to
Either change the nature of the game or they have to get a whole lot better when when the when the WNBA first came out there was talk about um lowering the baskets of so that they could because life under the under the rim suck they wanted yeah so that they could dunk
Right well they threw that idea out later on because they got more you know taller women who could actually dunk because they thought that that was what’s going to put you know asses in the seats for the WNBA no no it’s still still struggling as a sport today but
The the the the fundamental lesson of that is that we’re going to change the nature of the game to suit the to suit the talents of the player now that’s in sports think about how we we use that same like institution in other things we’re going to lower the requirements
For women to be in combat positions in the US military because we want to get more women in there because we still believe in this Blank Slate [ __ ] where we think that women can be just as effective as you know combat soldiers as men can be no one thinks that though let
Me tell no one thinks that but but I mean you’ll understand what I’m saying like the dynamic is change the natur fundamentally change the nature of the game so girls can dunk could I say half a line I I don’t think you’re going to disagree with this we know the WNBA has
Taken a bath it’s a parasite on the NBA it’s never made a dollar uh 31 Seasons out of 31 so they they’re not actually trying to put asses in the seats this is top down this is top down imposed uh shell game and you have to ask why
Reinforcement Nar let me tell you a funny story so a friend of mine growing up is uh was for a period one of the top female skateboarders she actually was really good comparable to the guys in Chicago she was like for whatever reason way better uh good friend of mine and uh
I got to go with her to the X Games when I was 18 and she was 17 the third place prize I believe at the time was like $1,300 for women in the X Games for men it was 13,000 at least that’s that’s what we were told at the time I don’t
Know the numbers could be slightly different first place for the men’s was like 30 grand first place was for the women’s was like three grand and so there was this organization that uh I had actually I I knew the founder of and I knew SE several of the pro females that were
Involved in it said this is discrimination you have two contests you have a men’s contest and a women’s contest you then give the women 10% of what the men get that’s sex discrimination if you want to pay the top prizes ESPN at the time said women don’t sell tickets and their response
Was you selling tickets is your problem not the athletes problem if you’re saying you want the best men and the best women in the world you can’t pay them separately there’s an interesting argument ESPN refused and said we don’t care because we don’t make money we’d
Sooner just get rid of it than have to spend 10x on something that doesn’t make money so what I was told by some of the people involved was they announced a press conference to announce either a lawsuit or some action to be taken against Disney ESPN for sex based
Discrimination and paying them in less however the problem was the female athletes did not want to boycott they were happy to be getting whatever sponsorships they could they were happy to get whatever cash they could and they were concerned that ESPN would cancel the women’s sporting the women’s Street
Events because quite literally nobody bought tickets to go see them so what this organization did at least this is what they told me they announced to uh publicly a press conference and they said the top female athletes in the world are going to be giving a press conference breaking down sex uh pay
Discrimination at the X Games and they sent notice to ESPN saying you’re not going to be happy with what comes next however knowing that the women did not actually want to do it didn’t want to boycott they didn’t tell any of the women that was there was going to be a
Press conference and so when the press conference happened no one showed up when ESPN then asks who wait wait where are they at where’s the press conference they went wow I guess they’re boycotting you you’re in trouble now now the Press is going to be that they’re they’re
Refusing to even show up ESPN immediately backed down and said we will pay parody now so now you have the X Games subsidizing sporting events that don’t sell tickets yeah extortion just it’s extortion and no one’s actually this dumb no it’s Emperor’s New Clothes everyone knows female sports fail
Everyone knows the girls aren’t as good as the guys everyone knows sports are fundamentally masculine so you you have to ask what’s the point and we’re all agreeing now and conservatives don’t want to push the conversation Beyond where it’s at and what it really is if you go check agenda 2030 and their
Sustainable development goals female sports has a couple paragraphs they’re pushing that they want population control there’s there’s no female sports anymore where where we are at right now is the the the propaganda the lies of manipulation and allowing males to compete in female sports but you never see the inverse it’s it’s fascinating
The the the the hypocrisy or the Paradox doesn’t exist in the mind of the left liberal or whatever that we actually don’t get ever controversy around a biological female attempting to compete in Sports and the reality is for most Major League Sports I believe for all of
Them except for college there is no male female distinction in the major leagues a woman is allowed to try out for the NBA a woman is allowed to try out for the NFL they just don’t make it many women have actually tried to be kickers in the NFL and they’ve come close but
They’ve never quite made it yeah there is no restriction for them in female sports there is a restriction but now they’ve removed that so we have seen a couple things Mac begs is a biological female uh taking male crossx hormones identifying as a as a male and competing against
Females it was actually due to the law requiring uh women to compete against women and men against men that resulted in someone taking testosterone a female winning all of these fights and having more muscle mass and and and things like that and then you end up of course with
The same scenario where it’s biological males competing against females and not in male leagues it only only ever affects female sports in which case we are entering we are entering the room we are walking through the door where there will be no more female sports it will just be identity-based Sports there will
Be the Merit league and then there will be the identity League well with all due respect I I meant it more generically I mean Fe female sports in my view is a contradiction in terms what’s a far better um more squarely oriented with the conception of human sexuality the
Human person female men and women is cheerleading and if you look at the numbers of high school cheerleading it’s gone down drastically I I’ve taught High School two different times time separated by about 10 years and the number of girls that wanted to be cheerleaders it was still what the cool
Girl did in the ‘ 80s and 90s and when I taught in the early 2000s it was what all the cool chicks did in by by 2014 when I stepped back into the classroom full disclosure my wife was a year later no no it’s it’s well ordered women are
This is a natural conception that’s utterly consistent with what women are and what they want to do they want to cheer on the boys now whe we’re talking the gender thing are we talking wave one gender dysphoria or wave three we should push past that and just talk about what
A woman really is if I I know many women who enjoy skateboarding and want to skateboard and they want to have contests between each other and they know they can’t beat guys and they respect that if women being pushed everybody should be able to play
SP I I really do not believe that’s true my my my my friends uh uh like who I grew up with skating with female Pros genuinely love skating and just want to skate but it’s it’s it’s it’s not the same as the drive guys have right but
That’s what I’m talking but but I don’t think you can just say women would rather cheerlead no no my look I have six daughters okay I I have one son and six daughters me and my son go out hunting me and my son go out on the basketball court I was a basketball
Player he he’s learning to be a basketball player at six the girls wander out of the house they’re learning to sew they’re learning to cook with my wife they like playing girl things make Bel they wander out and they’re like Oh Daddy can we do layup drills with you
And Gabby yeah of course they’re interested in it for 4 minutes what you can’t what you cannot discount in a gynocentric society that that this guy’s described for many many years um quite aptly is the fact that fathers have gotten it into their mind like oh I
Guess this is the new normal now and they’re pushing their daughters so my daughters come out there they play for four minutes and they daughters like their sons yeah they raise their daughters like their sons so then they go back in the house and they go do
Something they really want to do but I don’t tell him no you can’t come shoot l i do keep Gabe out there and and he he wants to stay out there but there’s a fundamentally different female nature so we all I thought agreed that sexal I’m going to I’m going to go like
I agree with what you’re saying but I’m going to go on the biological side of things here like if you look at Megan rapo for example who uh you know wants to have equal pay for like you know playing soccer and everything if you look at it from the economics
Perspective actually the female soccer team is making more money than the male soccer team if You by rate of comparison and you put it like within Market versus Market the female the female soccer team is actually making more money than the male soccer team is because they make
More money and as a portion of that particular uh take of the money that they’re making right there as a result we still have women saying well we’re not being paid as much as they are they simply just don’t understand the economics of it but they want that
Equality they they want we want we want gender parity we want uh 77 cents on the do whatever it is you know the the gender pay Gap not real but it’s not it is not real but um just asked Dr Phil um but the um the the long and short of it
Here is that when you have a Megan rapo talking about that it’s building that narrative and really what it’s building is this idea that we’re we’re supposed to be a blank slight society that we’re supposed to all be equal and the problem with the equality is that equality is a
False god okay so when we’re talk like I don’t believe in equality period end of story because when we’re talking about equality it doesn’t exist inside of a vacuum like every like Megan rapo would like to say well it’s apples for apples it’s not apples for apples you are
Female they are male you are in a different Market than they are it’s this understand it’s this idea of having sort of this idealized egalitarian equalist society whereas what are we uh what are we expecting from either sex so when we’re talking it’s easy to make this example about sports okay because men
Men have you know we have broader shoulders we have uh more upper body muscle mass everything else it’s easy to point that out what about when we’re talking about mathematics what about when we’re talking about like things that chess what what about when we’re talking about other things that aren’t
Even necessarily physical chess is fascinating but well I forget the name of the teacher the the the college guy who was talking about how women do not excel in certain aspects of like uh men have better spatial ability to like you know rotate a threedimensional object we
Can throw with more Force we’re innately born with that is our firmware to be able to do certain things we have certain predilections that we’re born with because it’s just built into our psyches it’s built into our thing but then we’re going to say well that’s horribly can can you teach
A young woman a young girl to be a pretty good pitcher for um for a little league team yeah you can do that but it’s easier to do it with a male because a male already has that innate firmware that’s already part of their starting pack yeah and like I really like this
Point you just made Rolo what conservatives that are kind of tepid on this which is most everyone they’ll be agreeing with us and then you you push the point you’re like well I could te I could literally drag my six girls out there for as long as I keep my son out
There and they could get slightly less inadequate at basketball but they’d be unhappy and I would be conditioning them with gender dysphoria and conservatives won’t take the point that the capacity to do something um as it’s rejected by the natural law which tells us our male nature females their female nature
Because I could go to the closet my wife’s closet and put on her dress and it’s not like a force field it flies off my body or something like that I can’t get the dress to stay on conservatives will say well if he has the capacity to
Put on a dress I guess it’s not wrong and Tim like we’re all tempted to start going there Tim you’re tempted to start going well like girls can stand on a skateboard and learn to roll and learn a couple basic flip tricks like I know they can there’s nothing in nature that
Repels them from doing that what I guess we’re saying is that was is pure agreement so far is that they’re being conditioned at all levels from the top down and their fathers to to want to do that whereas before that’s not in their nature to want to do it a neighbor the
Other day really nice guy came by he saw me shooting with my boy he’s like you got six girls you got to get him out there I’m like no they they don’t want to be out here man he’s like what about the the female NBA player you said no I
I don’t know man the I I I know women who skateboard who chose to skateboard continue to skateboard skated their whole lives and enjoyed doing it fine the exception makes bad Lu well you play sports women you play sports we’re talking about professional you want the
Best hum it’s not about gender at that stat we talking about habit and habituating people if your daughter said no I want to play basketball I don’t want to go back inside would you let her she she none of the six of them have I’m just playing the num the question I
Asked no no no but what I’m telling you is if your exception makes bad if she said I want to stay outside and play basketball with you I would say yeah well that’s fine but I’m also your father so you can stay out here maybe a little longer than the other girl girls
But since you’re and this this wouldn’t happen and doesn’t happen but um and I I have larger than a Bas female basketball team as all my uh crypto feminist neighbors have pointed out to me uh it doesn’t happen but if it did I’d say okay you could stay out a couple extra
Minutes now go in the house and learn to cook that’s what a father does and that’s the difference between conservatives in 2014 and 2015 objecting to third wve gender dysphoria which is that like Bruce Jenner puts on a dress and says ontologically speaking I can be a female first wave gender dysphoria is
Functional right but let’s stay on point my point is this is this is at the Hard the point I’m making is I know many females who skateboard and if their dad said you can’t skateboard anymore they would hide a skateboard at their friend’s house run away and go
Skateboard well I’m not sure what they would do I know for fact like I you know what they would do hypothetically trying toate you people there were very few female skateboarders one or two and they want to skate and they would go skate and they would go skate by themselves
Well that’s but that’s partly hypothetical what’s not hypothetical experience okay no you said what they would do if my friends growing up and I’m at the X Games and there’s dozens of of young women who skate chose to be there wanted to be there asked for
The equipment said they want to be there and I think it I do not agree with the idea that the father should be like no here’s here well as a father of six girls um it’s absolutely your job to correct and say look this is ultimately
Not going to make you happy if any of my kids are running into the street I correct them all the time Tim and I say no this is not ultimately good for you if my kids want to eat strick nine they never have I’d say no this is not good
For you Sports is eating St I didn’t say that the same thing but this is just a hypothetical you gave the hypothetical of them running away and all I’m saying is it’s not good for them that’s gender dysphoria to do the same things as men and what what what I’m challenging
Conservatives to do is to have a look at the real difference between men and women because we all we all agreed on it all four of us there’s a real difference and say why are we so uncomfortable with the differences the functional differences between men and women I’m
Not talking about putting on a dress when you’re a guy but like what you should familiarize yourself with is U hardcore feminist sociologist wolfer and Stevenson uh did a study in the 70s after women went were were driven into the workforce by by shame um it’s called the Paradox of declining female
Happiness time life is covered it every 5 years they notice as women went entered in droves the workforce really act like men in 1970 female happiness particularly white Suburban female happiness went down every year and they call it a paradox I would just say this is a phenomenon there is a female nature
Tim there is a male nature and this is this is why it’s Bliss but this is why I’m saying as a as a dad of six girls I don’t have that luxury like I want them to be the most happy meaning a moral Udan Aristotelian happiness I want them
To be the most happy possible so if they run in the street that’s obvious danger if they want to start doing boy things five six seven eight hours a day that will make them feel like inadequate boys you said all the girls you knew aren’t good skaters the the the they’re good
For females the women’s exactly they’re good for f but they’re always going to be comparing themselves to the standard in a male sport do you know do you know what a ripstick is ripstick the it was it was real popular back in like the the early 2000s shout out to Sean hover he
Can do Tre flips and’s a ripstick a ripstick is like it’s like a scapo that has two wheels right it it it’s got they go like this it’s like there’s a cylinder in the Middle with a joint and then there’s two platforms that work interdependent uh independently of each
Other with Single wheels that go in every direction cool and you move by snaking your feet and it’s got a tail you can pop it and Sean hover he’s a my daughter can do a can do a ripstick she I and I was so I was going to say I
Would just to answer your question yes because I have a do my daughter’s 25 but um she’s not doing Ripsticks anymore sorry Lindsay Adams Hawkins married Travis Pastrana she’s one of the top female Pros in the world one of she’s she’s the first female to land at mctwist Travis Pastrana is based uh
Sponsored by Black Rifle I believe and they’re married and they have lots of kids MH I don’t see why Lindsay should have been told not to be a skateboarder true yeah I mean it’s it’s playing for fun is one thing and getting good at something is it can be great for your
Confidence but playing professional you just want the best humans and I but anyway you brought up cheerleading and I think it is super important role this is something I’ve learned they say in like football the the crowd is the 13th man on the field because if you’ve ever done
Cheerleading or if you’ve ever been in the crowd in the enemy the enemy team the opposing team can hear your voice when they hit the ball and you scream and the people that are on the defense shock and stand get shocked and like Miss the ball because they’re terrified
By your scream you win as a cheerleader like the woman empowering the men is a big part of the success of the team but I also or not not the women but people empowering the crowd empowering the team with their voices and their movement is like massively important it’s similar
With a woman in a family you know that’s what she’s doing for the man in a lot of ways but why does it not have to be well like do we all agree there’s a female nature and a male nature just can we go
Around the I know I know you and I agree there but I think I think mascul I I I think we have to be a little bit more nuanced and say there’s a male female male female botal uh uh nature or Tendencies women fall into one Camp men
Fall into one Camp so not a nature there I think I think I agree with you but I’m saying I want to be a little bit more Nuance on how I describe it I know there’s exceptions to rules it’s a it’s a bell curve it’s bodal there’s an
Overlap but there’s a predominant 99 what I always tell people though is exception makes bad law and there’s a reason the law of averages always wins the reason that th those two feminists um wolfer and Stevenson’s their research was so important was because they wanted the data to show something that they
Were honest enough to publish otherwise they they gain said their own conclusion which was we thought that women would be happier when they started doing some doing a function I’m not talking about gender dysphoria actually claiming to be men but functionally uh acting like men and and functional gender dysphoria just
Feminism is far it’s actually far more pervasive than Bruce Jenner putting on a dress it affects 99% of women out there and it’s far more Insidious and they’re like wow women are becoming unhappy I want my daughters to grow up and be happy in the Aristotelian Christian
Sense that that means you correct them you’re like yeah you could do that like I said I I didn’t people are going to be seeking to you know U liberals do this Tim they’re going to be like this guy said he will never let his daughter out
No that’s cool and if one of the the six daughters wants to stay out an extra five or 10 minutes fine but they don’t want to stay out much longer than that the way the guys by their nature want to stay out 1 2 3 4 hours and yeah there’s
Exception makes bad law so there might be one girl out of a million that wants to stay out all day long and skate and shoot but that’s bad law for us to legislate in society girls naturally about legisla I got a question for you yeah if you I know you don’t have a
Daughter but like if you had a daughter would you allow her to uh compete in beauty pageants probably not why uh if we’re talking about like child beauty pageants where well I mean you from like say I know 12 13 somewhere around there if it was like
A like a wholesome actual she really wanted to do that she like I really want to be in this daddy the answer is only if it’s like proper uh uh formal dress is the like when when they’re dressing up not a swimsuit but the the child pageant I say absolutely no absolutely
No if it is more of like the combination of talent where they have like what’s your talent What’s your you then you have to speak then you have to wear a formal dress and display absolutely have a platform have a have a yeah like I I I don’t like the weird sexualized child
Beauty pageants so I’d say no to the generic but if it’s how we typically view uh wear a formal dress there’s like there’s like the dress portion then there’s the talent portion then there’s the speech portion that’s fine yeah so the the reason I’m asking that is because that is a more stereotypical
Female proclivity let’s just say to be a more of a girly girl as opposed to being the Tomboy I want to skate right my daughter can do a ripstick she’s not competing in ripstick competitions anymore but she has my daughter has been in pageants before right because she
Really wanted to be in that she really wanted to do good and she really wanted to apply herself to that I think one of the problems that we have um particularly in the 21st century anyways is because because we believe in this sort of gender equalism I think is that
We tend to say okay well uh how horrible it is that you you won’t encourage your daughter to do you know skateboarding but you will you’re okay with her doing beauty pageants or the opposite way around because when he was talking about like there are well and I believe you
Were too talking about the differences in male nature versus female nature there are certain proclivities that both boys and girls tend to gravitate towards but if we say well we don’t want her to go into a beauty pageant but we do want to encourage her to be a skater why
Isn’t it the other way around the funny thing is uh you guys know that do you have kids M I talk to every person who has a son and a daughter and they instantly tell you boys and girls are different no question there’s no debate uh I was hanging out with some family
Friends and they were like we did nothing and the boy started smashing things with a little Hammer he just did and the girl picked up the the he when he started hitting the stuffed animal the little girl picked it up and ran away with it to protected they’re like
We didn’t teach them to do that they start making guns with their fingers or they like make sticks to whap each other yeah in that vein all I was saying is and and I’m not defensive on the point i’ I’d love to have rational uh debate
About it but it’s better for a woman to get good at woman things and for men to get better at men things and they stop teaching home e in school and Shop I mean and Shop woman thing man thing women don’t know how to sew like grown-up uh Gen X and Millennial mothers
Don’t know how to sew to teach their daughters men don’t know what what Philip screwdrivers are I I I shouldn’t drive a bit hyperbolic but yeah can’t drive stick if no that that works for me when crime goes up you hear all these stories where someone cries to jack a
Car and they’re like I can’t drive stick and it’s like out of luck buddy can’t drive that’s a good way but let’s let’s shift a little bit sure we talked a lot about like gender Dynamics and sports and working stuff I’m curious now on where young men are they’re not getting
Married they’re not having kids but we’re also it’s not just incels the media is super biased I I’ll tell you one thing I really really love media is written by spinsters so feminist media uh uh and I don’t mean I mean that somewhat half jokingly spenc a
Lot of women get mad about that uh good women who get married and have kids are not for the most part working at the New York Times writing articles about the joys of childlessness so the prominent voices in feminist in The prominent voices from females in media tend to be
Childless unmarried women because simply put go back what I said married women are raising kids and focusing on family the married guys are focusing on making money for their for their families and things like that so I guess the first question is is it everything we just talked about
That’s resulting in men not getting married how do we solve this problem let’s what do you think incentives I think that’s the first first place you go um when you’re looking at uh if you’re looking at women going into only fans I’ve I’ve talked about this with
Andrew Wilson before where it’s uh we it’s saying well you know how do you write the course of the ship right what what do we do with now that we have all this information what are we going to do withans um well the thing is is that we
Need to find ways to disincentivize only fans we need to disin we we need to reinen divize what like men getting back into doing things that are like more productive for themselves or following something that they can play to their strengths well and the place that that begins is by removing those sedations
From those guys and nobody’s going to do that at this point everybody has no will to do that at this I would I would say outright only fans is a bad thing I find it to be disgusting I despise it when it comes porn I mean there are certainly
People who use only fans for legitimate reasons but that that’s not the tendency for what only fans is uh however we’re we’re experiencing an interesting sort of ideological bifurcation only fans is driving women to quit the workforce to become hookers so there’s numerous stories of women who like I was a nurse
I didn’t want to do that now I’m a hooker there there are stories like I was a police officer and then I realize there’s more money in being a hooker online and uh I say hooker because you’re selling sex and just because you put it on the phone as opposed to a
Brothel doesn’t change anything as far as I’m concerned you’re doing a peep show you’re doing a peep show that’s a hooker so uh but the incentive is what keeps them going Mike Mike stin and I we were on AAS Vegas and we were interviewing this one uh was her name
Ava James Ava James used to be a teacher a special education teacher like she taught autistic children I think it was in Canada but you think about this you go through I don’t know how many years of college to get to the point where you can actually do something like that and
Then you’ve got to have Special Education certification as that as on top of that how many student loans are you taking out so that you can be a specialed special needs teacher on top of everything else you’re paid maybe $40,000 $50,000 as a starting salary if you’re lucky okay depending on what
School system and where you where you get into and you’ve just spent the last maybe six to eight years of your life to become that par that teacher and then you go you know what [ __ ] it I think I’m going to be an only fans person because and now she’s like a
0.01% top earner on only fans making millions of dollars and going why did I spend the last 6 to8 years doing what I’m doing now I’m not saying that all women are can do that but the possibility the perception that it’s a possibility for women to earn more money
That they do as a nurse or as they do as a a you know a surgeon or an attorney or something like that it’s a much better more lucrative Prospect so it this will destroys marriage destroys family but the inverse it takes women out of the workplace yes it’s an interesting and
And jobs that are essential to a functioning Society but do you think that those jobs or could be anyways do you believe that there are jobs women should be the ones doing like nursing and teaching should be teachers or not I don’t like to use the term should I
Think there are there are jobs that women naturally gravitate to because they have a natural proclivity because of female nature if you look at the if you look at what women like major in it’s communication it’s psychology it’s sociology they’re all HR is it a bad thing that we will no
Longer have female nurses and teachers maybe because the word nurse literally means the baby sucking on the the mother’s boob is the baby’s nursing the word is job is nures don’t do that I think the word probably comes from the history of females taking care of sick
People because that it’s a bad thing for babies to not be suckling at their own Mother’s teeth no no on wait historically if the mother was unable to produce enough a wet nurse another woman in the town or Village who was producing would nurse their baby for
I’m talking about daycare you seen the statistics forare yeah ladies go the term nurse as a profession no it would be great to get women out of nursing other people’s kids back home to nursing their kids you’ve all seen this so let’s go back to the the question I have is
With only fans I certainly see it’s destroying family it’s it’s sedating men as you described it it’s creating these addictions video games uh uh and and uh it’s not just video games there drugs alcohol too but video games certainly have have this effect do we want some
Jobs in society to be done by women or should it just be the workforce is male and the women are at home with the kids and helping raise the family see they’re not at home the ladder for me okay well we’re going to say shoulds then the
Ladder but what I’m saying is that we’re in a position right now where that’s kind of a moot point if you want to you want to write the course of the ship we have to work with what we have right now I’ve talked to zubie about this where he
Was saying I don’t understand why only fans is so popular you mean it’s just basically pornography you can go stroke off to porn for free if you wanted to and I told him said it’s not because of that it’s because of the connection C that those men believe that they can
Have with that person that’s on the they’re not paying for the SE there has to be a sexual element don’t get me wrong but the the top earners are not you know jet screaming hoodie Queens with blue eyes and big tits and and look like the stereotypical Playboy model
They look like the girl that’s attainable they look like the the seven seven and a half not the 10 and so they want to have that the girlfriend experience but they’re looking for that connection and you so you asked me like you you said well what about the incels
What about the hikori everything else they’re not they can they can jerk off all they want to but they want to have that that connection that they’re not getting because those women are in are doing only fans and so a lot of only fans that we know about is that
Connection you’re correct the women will say hey if you give me X I will give you y and a lot of what’s being uh bought is personalized content yeah so you are getting the connection engagement can I can real real quick there was a a really interesting and disturbing thing with
ASMR where you can probably look this up ASMR girlfriend sleeping next to you and so young women record themselves pretending to sleep and making noises that women don’t actually make like anybody who’s actually slept next to literally any other person you either hear Light snoring heavy snoring or
Nothing at all maybe an occasional fart or something but the noises that you hear in this girlfriend ASMR are like light moans and what would Scar the [ __ ] out of me but they’re but what the reason why they get so much traffic on this and
The reason why a lot of what they can sell to young men is this is because it simulates personal connection and relationship and that’s terrifying parasocial I think they call it now it’s a new term floating yeah if it’s if it’s okay i’ I’d love to give the original
Sort of track shifting question uh shot there there are two answers to my um um two answers I would give and they have each kind of their own components I would say men aren’t getting married because of the stuff we’ve talked about before um Moon beastly complex it’s
Being depicted at all levels of society in a predictive way that’s that’s getting that that’s tracking with mimetic Desire with the her from from the top of the media on down through agenda 2030 and things like that it’s waterfalling down as they say through media through Hollywood and it’s
Influencing the minds of common good people in Mississippi where I moved when I left La so that they’re saying they’re saying gender dysphoric things and eventually people just think about marriage I I taught high school for eight years college for 2 years young men would see my wife beautiful lovely laughing wife just
Come eat lunch with me and they’d be like how do you get that um that looks like the nicest woman in the world I’m like because we’re not fighting against our nature we love each other we we we’re best friends I knew my wife right before she graduated high school and
It’s the opposite of the Moon Beasley complex if you allow women to be be women and men to be men you’re going to be happy and love each other until the day you die it it’s it’s a natural thing women and men are naturally drawn to each other until it’s programmed out so
The first thing is Moon Beasley complex is wrong like women do want to be goodly obedient wives and men want to be goodly loving husbands I I’m I’m talking to I I have a Christian audience right I’m a Roman Catholic I I don’t think it can be programmed out it can’t be programmed
Out yeah no it can’t you can try and you can you can it’s like you can take a jigsaw puzzle piece put it in the wrong spot and Bash it until it fits because you destroyed it but anyway sorry you’re so right it’s and that’s what we’re
Seeing is the Resurgence of this truth the the fundamental attack on the family it was Stamped Out nearly and you know feminism reached its Heyday I think in 1975 where most women identified as feminists the problem’s far worse now even though few wommer women fewer women identify as feminists it’s because the
Insect has invaded the host organism um so it’s worse now but but slowly people are coming back and seeing this is beautiful complimentarity women do women things men do wom men things and were attracted to each other you know you know you want to finish that real quick
I don’t know if you were done well yeah there’s a second Point go ahead what I think happens is we go from a women should be able to to a woman have to and so we see this with most things actually interestingly in technology the cell
Phone is a luxury if you have a cell phone you’re easier to reach so when the cell phone comes out you got this gigantic weird object and you have like a purse it it was really funny like the first phones you had to like put it down
Onto like this big thing and then pick it up and uh now your office can call you from anywhere car phones were the were the easiest way to do it because you the heavy electronic could be stored in the car it was a luxury to have that
Made you more valuable but it was not required these days if you don’t have a cell phone you ain’t getting the job if you go back to feminism the original idea or I shouldn’t say back to feminism but in the era of when 1970 late’ 7s or whatever women entering the workplace
More heavily the idea was women should be allowed to apply for jobs if they want what ends up happening is the market gets flooded with more and more labor but the the the job Supply isn’t increasing so now the demand for jobs is massive and the supply of jobs is low
Dropping wages and creating a snowball rolling down a hill where it comes to the point where you have a guy go go apply for a job and they they say look we need someone who can do this job it’s you know let’s say uh mail room and
Deliveries and the guy says well look I’m trying to start a family right I’m I’m you know 20 years old and I got I got to be able to take care of my family I’m sorry that amount of money is not going to cut it and it’s like well then
We’ll find someone else and he says good luck cuz every guy you meet is going to say the same thing so you give me the the money that I’m asking for now and we stop wasting our time and they go you know what he’s right then more and more
Women start entering the workplace and lower skill jobs are now flooded with with a massive Supply Li they then say well look uh you know I got a young woman who can handle the mail so I don’t have to hire you you can leave and so then the woman gets offered slightly
Less for whatever reason it’s not so much that it is inherently just because it’s women doing it it is because there’s a massive influx of Labor into the market without an increase in Supply I was going to say also if you go back and I’ve been working on this uh sort of
A a pet project of mine called 1971 if you go and you look at the era between say 1965 and 1975 you see a lot of the social changes that we kind of take for granted today all occurred right around the time that hormonal birth control
Came in and then you have uh the sexual Revolution then you have no fault divorce then you had the we went off the gold standard in 1971 um don’t get me so well no they’re not they’re not but they’re not but they are are uh co-related let’s just say
There so if you go and you look at the rise in hormonal birth control use the popularity from 1965 to where we are right now and you look at the rise in divorces div rates it is all it tracks almost identically to that let me just interject real quick they the left can
Make all the arguments in the world for Blank Slate they want when you look at a male versus female voting map it is plain as day you explained to me how with all of your education and feminism women vote Democrat men vote Republican it’s not absolute though it’s bodal and
Then by the way that took place the the switch took place in the late ‘ 80s and the early 90s women used to vote more conservative right until around like 1986 1988 somewhere around there and then the trend yeah exactly so women are getting married less they need more also
I should also point out 1974 was when uh the credit companies said oh women can now have credit cards right because they’re all getting out of their marriages and they’re all single mothers and they’re all well that that was the trend at that time and then what you
Were saying before with the productivity though when you’re talking about I got pause credit card point when they started when they when they wanted credit cards the bank said no when they started getting divorces they had guaranteed income right now the banks are like money and 1971 they’re now on
Fiat currency so they’re like yes ladies you you’ve come a long way baby you know anyway go back so the the and also another thing that tracks in 1971 is if you look at this is more to your point when you see women coming into the labor
Force the the the mean wages stay pretty much the same they’re pretty they go up a little bit you growing until this andu yes but productivity goes through the [ __ ] roof at that point so you’re looking at more productivity at the same amount of money that they’re spending of
Course people are going to and and we are getting now a problem reaction solution type scenario where you get a massive explosion of Labor Supply uh the point I was making earlier is that with this massive increase in Supply without an I’m sorry increase in demand uh
Supply of labor and demand uh for labor is down supply of jobs is low but demand for jobs is high it makes it so that when when employers now have this massive competition in front of them they pay lower wages stagnate but they have max amount of workers productivity
Is on the rise because these jobs are being filled and they don’t got to pay as much but this means now 30 40 50 years on what do you have it is now a requirement for a dual income MH it used to be hey I’m having a family my wife’s
At home you pay me what I’m worth or else and they go ah where’s my pension now once you get everyone working that now what happens is the guy goes in for a job and he says I can’t work off 20 bucks an hour I got a family and he goes
Well where does your wife work like my wife doesn’t well maybe your wife should get a job I’m paying you 20 bucks an hour that’s the norm now y are you guys familiar with the dialogue between American feminist Betty fan and older French feminist Simone debar from the
The middle of the century uh middle of the 20th century debar said to Betty fan you Americans you’re so obsessed with Liberty if feminism’s ever to preponderate then you need to do like we French do we you you get it into the law fair you force women away from the hear
In the home because women do not want to be in the workplace I’ve already cited Paradox of declining female happiness they will not leave unless you force them this is what we did in France and Betty fedan said yes you’re right Americans do like our libertas more but
What we use here and what we’re going to use in our movement is shame is shame and shame is this invisible very hard demetric force that that that was coming up earlier when we were talking about female sports like well you know it’s invisible uh yeah you can always point a
Law and say in France they forced the women out into the workplace and disincentivized them even punished them in America it followed second wave feminism I also don’t believe in the waves but second wave feminism as a historical matter is what actually invisibly secretly subtly forced women
Into the workplace in the’ 70s and when you guys ask something like well are there any good female jobs no women fundamentally want to be home and it’s bad that either shame or legislation forced them away from doing something that makes them happy into doing something that makes them unhappy and
Ultimately um I would say I I was a school teacher in the most expensive state I’m a native Angelino and my wife never uh worked after we came back uh from after I went to law school and I was a school teacher and we were raising four five six kids
Before I started making more money so you can it can happen even in this economy it’s not an impossibility what you can make it happen what is the solution how so let’s start here I mean uh your thoughts clearly men should get married have families would you do you
Agree with that or what’s your view I I think that that ideally that’s great I think we have to work with what we have right now so like when a lot of people want to criticize a red pill or or whatever it is I think it’s really
Taking a more pragmatic approach to it so like for for what he’s saying I think from like sort of a religious socio you know sociological perspective I understand the the want for that but I look at things in a bit more in a more pragmatic way so if we look at what like
I was saying before if we look at where uh the rise and divorce happened if we look at where the decline we at like six per 1,000 people right now for for marriage we’re at the lowest rate of marriage in the United States it in since they started recording it back in
The mid 1800s now well you can also blame the fact that we we had hormonal birth control which then leads to the rise and divorce then we have no fault divorce which comes into play right around 1968 with Ronald Reagan and then state by state by state by state starts
Adopting it then you’ve got 1971 you got absurdity no fa divorce shouldn’t exist then you’ve got the the gold standard and now we’re now women can get credit because we’re now on fiat currency because we don’t have a gold backing it anymore then you’ve got was it 1974 was
Roie Wade or was 733 73 yeah then you got roie Wade now you have on demand abortion which is a fail safe for bad reproductive choices that women are making at the time so even if you’re on the pill it’s not going to make that much difference because now we can you
Can go and have an on demand safe and legal abortions for lack of a better term then you’ve got title n then you’ve got the uh then you’ve got the uh was it the duth model of feminism which says that the man is always the aggressor whenever there’s a domestic dispute yeah
Um and if you look at all of the if you track back all the way to say 1965 where we have there’s one invention that unsettled like human history at this point and that was the Advent of hormonal birth control which you know For Better or Worse gives gives the at
Least the impression that you can now have sex and women now are in control of the human reproductive process at this stage one sex gets to gets to determine whether or not a child is born or is not I think that was typically the case prior but so prior to that maybe like
Maybe in caveman era where the guy would con the one on the head C caveman era would have been prior to 1965 let’s just say so certainly we agree on just so we know about just so so we’re on tracking on the same but right up until that
Point I know I’ve had this debate with with other people before saying like well uh it’s because men controlled women because of economic factors there you needed to have one only the man was going out and making money at that time and the woman was at home taking care of
You know Home and hearth at that at that point well if you look at the things that have happened between say 1965 and 2024 and then the things that happened prior like say in the greatest Generation all the way up to 1965 the baby boomer generation there The Logical
Outcome or the The Logical extent of that of hormonal birth control is free love the hippies the you know sexual Revolution and everything that come follows in its wake I don’t see it as some sort of you know nefarious plot by some you know Shadow Corporation or
Of Illuminati they might have stepped in to take advantage of that situation but we’re just simply following our own human nature at this point which is where we’re really at but how do we write how do we write the course of the ship well it would be great if we could
All get back to going and and just having these wonderful you know know um patriarchal marriages that would be awesome you know if we could get back to that but I don’t see that as a tenable solution at this point I think there needs to be well like for instance if
You’re looking at like these guys like we’re we’re we’re talking about like say um bring his name up we got destiny who’s you know in an open marriage and now he’s like a in a divorced situation right you’ve got people trying to figure out or rejigger um marriage for
Themselves now because we we’re still clinging to these 20th century ideals in a first century reality where we have all this data saying you know look we’re at six per 1,000 uh you know people are getting married divorce rates are at about you know aggregate they’re at
About 56% so at least half of of marriages are going to fail anyways I think what we need to do is have some sort of marriage reform I think that’s really where it starts if you want people to get married again incentivize getting married and disincentivize the
Things that keep them from let’s let’s go back in for I think one of the one of the big issues too is if you go way back in time uh we lived in small communities and we knew each other 100 to 150 people tribes
Yeah and so that means uh a young boy uh there there is a 150 people meaning you’re going to have that that many children or so as people die people are growing and so these young men are growing up right alongside the women in their communities and so when when it
Comes time for adulthood marriage the f I love the idea of like how early homes were dealt with it was you lived with your parents and then you were getting a new home to have your own family but think about this this young man and this young woman then decide okay we’re going
To get married maybe it’s a culture that had an arranged marriage or otherwise but their World Views were identical they grew up in the same in in the same circumstances with the same environments the same weather challenges slightly different familial problems slightly different resource problems giving them a slightly different perspective but
When it came to how do we solve problems what do we believe typically they uh let’s say the United States they’re Christian they go to church together they know a lot of the same people and so the way I see it today is one of the problems we have with
Marriage is a guy from New York meets a woman from Florida who moved to New York grew up wildly different worlds completely disagree and they decide you know what I like this person there’s an attraction here they get along they date and they want to get married but their worldviews are completely fragmented
Which results in Conflict they don’t get along I think marriage I I believe it is it is prob the case I haven’t looked it up but I’d be willing to bet you could find the science that that’s that Pro that that this justifies this people who
Get married at a very very young age probably will not get divorced I think I think the data is true on that it depends depends how early they’re getting if you’re getting married at 18 or 19 you’re definitely getting divorced it’s it’s between 25 and 27 people who
Grow up together in similar communities are less likely to get divorced so likelihood uh especially if they have a shared Faith uh sh shared moral structure uh quite simply if you have a guy who believes marriage is something that is important and you must adhere to
It and no fault divorce is bad and he meets a woman who completely agrees on that the likelihood of divorce is very low because even if they’re finding themselves to have issues they’ll be like we should get coup’s therapy because we agree the morality here is we
Must remain married do you know what the odds are on Dual praying together every day if if you spend five minutes as a married couple praying I’m not even sure this is chrisan specific though it was run by Christians what the odds of divorce are was it like zero it’s one
Out of one ,1 152 they ran this in the middle 90s when the divorce rates were the highest they reran it around 2010 so when I hear people saying and I’m I’m usually in the minority I am in this room right now on this particular facet
Of the topic that it’s it’s a 20th century ideal or something like that no this is a fundamental principle this is the Single Cell of society marriage and family we can’t do without it and it’s fundamental to human nature it’s fundamental to human happiness it’s what people want to do
Wait what do we do though well but I am like when people say we can’t do this anymore all I say is try try praying together for 10 minutes a day it is and for for a a Christian for a Christian society which is what we are if you pray
Together your odds are less than 0.001 of getting a divorce they reran those 20 years apart and it it works out very well for the Christian couple now I will say this that The View and I do agree I strongly agree that no fault divorce is an absolute catastrophe it’s an
Absurdism but I I I represent the one worldview that’s exent under the sun that doesn’t even acknowledge divorce Roman Catholicism the the other types of Christians do Jews do Muslims do we don’t even say it’s real so um when we’re talking about a Christian Society I I can’t talk about marriage as a
Contract it’s as as a natural thing it’s not a contract this is a blood oath taken between a man and a woman and we say we call all our friends together and we say we swear over these two swans or whatever whatever he says an outlaw King
That I will not be parted from this this is one one flesh with me so when you hear Dennis Prager or I don’t know some some of the the other red pill guys like like my Dennis prer good who’s a Muslim are you kidding well you got I’m just
Saying the view of marriage as a contract is a Jewish and a Muslim thing it’s not a Christian thing so when you talk to a bunch of Christian young men mostly White young Christian men and you’re giving them this foreign concept of marriage as this this kind of Jewish
Muslim thing it’s a contract yeah I don’t want people breaking that but it’s not just a contract and it’s fundamentally anathema it it doesn’t work what we need to be telling young men to do is hey if you want to get married even if you’re not praying 10 minutes a
Day with your spouses try it the statistics so so here’s the problem let’s talk to Christians as Christians and the problem is you end up getting married and then you think you’re doing everything right you have a person there you said this is a this is not a contract this is a Blood
Oath till death do us part and she says okay and then for for one reason or another seven years later she says I’ve decided I just don’t want to do this anymore I’ve initiated divorce proceedings get out of my house yeah that’s the way we do marriage
Right now a lot of people will will criticize me because I have been married for 27 and A2 years and they’ll say well Rolo tomasi sounds like he’s very anti-marriage I’m like I am not anti-marriage whatsoever I am anti the way that we do it now so it’s not that I
Don’t think that in an idealized State marriage is a great thing it is it’s just the way that we’re doing it now and it goes back to your point where we’re talking about how you saying there’s a guy that’s on the east coast and a guy
That’s or a woman on the west coast and they can find each other and they say Hey you know other otherwise I probably wouldn’t want to get with this girl but because we have this shared connection because we have the ability through mass communication to be able to to find
Somebody all the way across the world we’re now in a global sexual Marketplace we’re not in a local sexual Marketplace which would have been more like the 10050 people within that that particular Township that’s a localized sexual Marketplace if that’s all if you completely cut off from you know the
Rest of relatively speaking cut off from the rest of the world your your prospects for marrying somebody or getting with that you know your high school sweetheart are pretty much limited to that to that local sexual marketplace now that we have opened up the sexual Marketplace to be Global with
Dating apps with you know what it doesn’t have to be that you could play World of Warcraft and find some chick that you like that’s across the you know across the ocean from you right but you guys are ignoring my sorry I’m not ignoring that I’m just I’m I’m just
Finding a a roundabout way to to get to it I’m not saying that like you know the the the the religious aspect of it is is not something that we should take into consideration but what I am saying is that the way that we do marriage now
When we’re including the state in that there’s this goes more to your point there’s all women have the full force of the state that is backing them because we’re in a gynocentric social I’m not ignoring what you’re saying I’m saying you’re tell like the challenge for young
Men is be honorable and be Noble and you can’t read someone else’s mind and they could betray you what I’m proposing what I’m propos all the power is in their hand today it’s not that it’s that any woman can yes okay but let’s let’s deal with the numbers as
They are what I’m proposing um scales to any Siz population in the world so so for I agree with the localism thing I’m a big localism guy states rights guy subsidiarity leave that aside because like I just want to hear people react to If you pray together 10 minutes a day to
Say oh you you can’t pray away uh big problems well of course that’s true but the numbers say it’s less than 0.1% one out of a thousand less than one out of 1100 No one’s responding to that everyone hits you with one out of two in
Other words you’re not going to get a divorce if you pursue the kinds of behaviors that lend to staying married and I do agree that no fa divorce is a complete catastrophe but what if men as they seem to be today continue to pursue this contract it’s not a contract with
Um stupid Tor feers if you keep getting it I was in contract law for a while if some man keeps getting into a a bum deal it doesn’t matter how good contract law is if he keeps finding the worst Tor feers to enter into contracts with there
Will be malfeasant and that seems to be at the heart of it men say well I want this trapping of Christendom which built Western Civilization Aristotle and Christendom I want this I want the Single Cell Society but I don’t want to pray s minutes a day even though the
Numbers that’s not the issue that I brought up the issue is brought and so you made a point about getting married and all that stuff and my point was which you ignored is that right now the weight of the state heavily benefits women and even encourages women to
Initiate divorces yeah I I I agree prayer is not just less than one out of 1100 when you do what I propose prayer is not just a Christian thing you can meditate with your woman too um sting spending time with aligning mentalities is like uh the way you mix marry means I
Think counts I think in the survey it was I think it was just you should try it cuz it works too um marriage marriage means to mix it basically means it’s a mixing of the soul in the religious sense you’re blending the law the the legal marriage contract is another
Concept so like you really actively do need to mix your soul with your partner if you want it to survive and I think that’s where prayer comes in it’s an active process of blending Consciousness let me let me address this uh if I went to anyone with investment investment
Advice and I said I got a great investment plan for you all right you’re gonna you’re gonna you’re gonna buy into a company with a 40 to 50% chance you not only lose half of what you own but you become homeless in in a in a matter of uh
Several years they’ be like wait wait what kind of investment is that no no no no hold on it’s important the the chance is you will you’re you’re you’re going to uh uh work alongside another person who will help you have a family and all
That with a 50 40 to 50% chance you are kicked out of your own home lose half your stuff have to pay child support have to pay alimony and strong possibility you never see your kids again and that’s what’s being proposed to young men these days well you agree you
Agree with Rolo here this is one of his big points but I would gain say if you went to someone and you said I have a 1,151 out of 1,152 chance of success it’s right there in the data 40 to 50% of first marriages
End in tell me the odds no no I’m saying if you pursue a very very doable thing which is pray and I I understand a lot of young white men in America are apostatized Christians that’s that’s what you’re saying the reality but the hardore reality is come back aration and
No I’m not I’m not I’m absolutely not I’m saying the question was the the broader prompt was what can be done that’s doable that’s within the reach of young men who are so bothered by these stats when you that they’re less good stats because you’re entering less
Search criteria when I’m saying when I’m saying yeah if you consider the broad population it’s like one out of two you’re talking about the population that pursues course of action that tends to achieve long marriages dating before you get married make sure she is willing to pray with
You on whatever average statistic you are you are saying people should be praying together and if she does over a certain amount of time then perhaps you have a trustworthy I think we also need to we need to also remember that Christianity doesn’t have a monopoly on marriage okay people were getting
Married in feudal Japan okay like marriage is not just specifically a Christian thing right I’m just talking to American men I’m looking at I’m looking at marriage from a particular like it’s a formal more marriage in human societies um is a formalization of monogamy is really basically what it is
It’s like we need a ceremony to say that Joe is going to be with Sally and that’s and that’s that we’re going to put on wedding ring on so nobody goes hits on either one of these they’re already they’re reserved they’re they’re a pair like leave them alone let them go make a
Family together whether like I said whether that’s in feudal Japan or that’s in you know Western Europe makes no difference we as human societies we have always formalized monogamy and we call it marriage okay now getting back to your point Have you ever heard of uh
Cature laws do you know what a cature laws okay uh this was something I I researched when I was doing my fourth book which is religion there’s a big healthy section in there on marriage cature laws in the I want to say like the 1700s uh 1800s somewhere around
There cature laws were uh laws that were uh that would put men in charge of their wives uh assets their resources so when feminists used to say well you well they still do today they said well you know women couldn’t own property they couldn’t have their own money they
Couldn’t go to school they could no they could do all of those things women had land women had money back then the problem is is if they got married which is what they had to do back then is that once they got married their husbands
Were now in control of that land and now in control of that of the of the the money like it could inherit a business from their fathers or something like that because under the marriage contract of the times was a man was responsible financially and and even criminally if
That woman uh drove that that company into the ground the man the the husband was responsible for that uh same thing with children back then if the child was uh in a was a criminal the husband was responsible for the state of of that of their own children so it’s not that
Women couldn’t hold uh couldn’t hold land couldn’t hold money it’s that there the the contract that was marriage of that time implied something implied a responsibility to men at that time that meant that they had to be very very careful of that and they would say like
Okay well you don’t want this family to go bankrupt because you’re allowing this woman to still be in control of whatever her whatever her you know company was or whatever that land was and so it TR that it transferred ownership over to the man what was happening at that time was that
It women had more rights well technically more rights and more maneuverability outside of marriage if they had land if they had money than they did inside because they would immediately lose control to that the problem that we’re having today is that we have cature laws but they are for men
These days men have more maneuverability and more power over their own lives outside of marriage than they do inside of marriage today because if you go and you now think about this if you have a business today if you have uh if you have debt Community debt if you have a
Credit card debt that now becomes the the debt of the marriage not the debt of the individual anymore so when you bring that into the marriage now you’re paying off her student loans now you’re paying off her credit card bills for when she was in college now you are paying off uh
Whatever you’re like the the potential exists that if you have a company that you could lose half of your company in a divorce settlement it’s not just lose half my stuff it’s lose half my company and half of the investment that I have put into this particular thing just
Because you signed a marriage contract and real quick it’s it’s worse than that I mean if you look at Bezos and McKenzie I guess she’s goes by Scott now she’s uh there’s an interesting argument as an aside that she that many articles namely leftist once argue she’s a co-founder of
Amazon and you know I I I don’t know the degree to which she assisted Jeff when he was founding the company it worth $33 billion 4.2 billion here’s the issue if she takes this stock in the divorce and then destroys it Amazon goes down with it stock stock is ownership in a company
Is not just the value of the company it’s the ability to Burn It To The Ground so uh I I’ll jump to this real quick 70% of divorces are initiated by women so the issue that we see in in the modern era and I think a lot of young
Men you probably encounted this will tell you why they’re not getting married women have a financial incentive to get divorced if at any point they’re unhappy they could consider should we go to marriage counseling and therapy and try and repair this relationship and figure
It out well then she looks at it and she says well I’m going to get the house I can do whatever I want Andy’s got to pay me for the rest of my life there is a financial and there is a massive incentive and benefit the reason why I
Think marriage is likely more often initiated by women simply because women benefit from I’m sorry divorce is more they they say here are the reasons why women initiate divorce I’m like no no no no that could explain why women initiate divorce it doesn’t explain why they initiate divorce more than men these
Articles say things like they have unmet needs or uh uh whatever emotionalist answer that they can get right I’m like actually it’s mathematically really simple men don’t want to initiate divorce because they get kicked out of their homes more often they don’t get to see their kids they have to pay alimony
And child support typically and the women are more likely to because in their mind if I’m unhappy in this relationship I can say outright right now I leave and I get taken care of I don’t got to work I get fre I’ll quote another stat for you this is from like
James seon is a good friend of mine he’s the divorce attorney he’s been on Lex fre awesome yeah he’s awesome you should get I you should definitely get uh James on here uh one of the things that if you look at the average age of first
Marriage right now for men and women in the United States for women it is now 30 and for men it is now 32 wow so how do you know it’s incentive I’ll tell you because the average duration of a marriage before divorce occurs is anywhere between 5 to 9 years average is
Seven so if the woman gets married at 30 she’s 37 on average when she gets divorced just prior to when she’s about 40 when she when she’s saying you know I better I better [ __ ] or get off the pot I I’m either going to stay with this guy
Or I’m not going to stay with this guy by the way 90 90% of divorces are initiated by college educated women when you when we put that in my fourth book is called don’t go to college yeah and of course everyone agrees that um if you Denude the statistics of all meaningful
Behaviors that could be uh that could curb eventual divorce yes the feminism is going to crush the men if if you if you Denude it of any kind of meaningful um set of structures that a man can take as a as a patriarch as the leader of a
Home then these statistics will will crush any of those men who are uh not attempting to take control of the situation what what are the conditions the problem is you’re not going to out Alpha the state that’s what I’m saying is like you’re not like as it stands
Right now I mean it’s great to I understand what you’re saying from a spiritual perspective I get it I don’t mean spiritually I mean I mean but from from the perspective that we’re in right now like people ask me like R when’s the pendulum going to swing back when are we
Going to get back to the good old days of the 19 I’m like there’s is no [ __ ] pendulum we only go forward you only go forward for you can learn from what was happening in the past but we only go forward from here I think one of the
Reasons why I have such a debate about marriage today is because we’re still like I said we’re still clinging to these ideals of the 20th century we want to be like uh our grandparents Grandma and Grandpa stayed together for so long and they really loved each other and
Then like in the 7s you’re like I was a I’m Gen X right so it’s like I was a latchkey kid my parents split up when I was like eight years old right I’m used to that right now it’s it’s like like just common you know I take it for
Granted at this point but I shouldn’t have to take it for granted I should be able to say okay maybe we can do things in a better way maybe there’s some maybe there’s some like change some tweak some disincentivizing or some incentivizing to say hey you know what marriage ain’t
Such a bad thing but we got to be able to disincentivize the idea of I’m just going to I’m going to go in and I’m going to take uh you know the the the retirement program that is marriage for women we need to take away the incentives for that being a retirement
Program for women we need to disincentivize being a single mom I think what happens is when uh when we look at like prior to the sexual Revolution you also have to take into account the the sort of the sexual Moors that were going on at that time my
Mother-in-law happens to be like from a generation that was prior to the sexual Revolution so if a woman became pregnant like uh back in her generation that was very shameful it wasn’t even a a religious thing it was just a something that society says oh well you know this
This girl’s 16 years old we’re going to do what’s called putting her away and what they would do is they would take that they would take that girl and they would go and put her with her grandparents she would either have the child and give it up for adoption or the
Grandparents would adopt it and say it’s their own right and then they would put her back in the family and things would continue as normal now in a post sexual Revolution Society we have taken um child rearing from a marriage-based uh model to a child support-based model and
So now to be a single mother is something to be very proud of every Mother’s Day we’re like oh you you I never needed a dad you go girl you’re you’re just as as a woman can perform exactly the same functions as a a mother can perform the same functions as a
Father wait I don’t want to be like my grandparents what we have what we have but what we have effectively done is we’ve made men Superfluous did made that they they don’t need we we they’re nice to have around but we don’t actually need them until of course they become
Something of a financial incentive so that we can seven years later get divorced and we can I agree with you a different lifestyle overwhelmingly it is women supporting the war in Ukraine which is fascinating and and what I mean by that is because they’re getting death benefits I’m I’m I’m I’m I’m
Particularly extrapolating the data but women uh vote Democrat at a very very high rate relative to men certainly men do vote Democrat too but I believe Pew research a couple years ago it’s like 55% of men vote Republican 45 Democrat among women it’s like 70% so there is a
Higher proportion of women who are voting in favor of democrat policy which sends our money to war and conflict and combat pushing us towards World War III in which they have no material obligation uh uh to their lives the way men do with the draft MH so I take
Particular offense to this but uh to go back to what you were saying I don’t know if you saw the video someone did a man on the street where they go around asking men do men need women all the men say yes of course we use that on access
Vegas they they ask the women do women need men they all say no and so my point about war is many of these women uh 70% voting Democrat are pushing us towards a massive war where as soon as the war breaks out they immediately turn around
And beg the men to save their lives yeah the way the Paradigm that that’s being described is a mischaracterization I I don’t want to be like my grandparents three of my four Grandparents were all involved in divorces I I never will be so I I think what you’re largely describing um the
The 1950s mentality is the way we never were um instead what so I’m not looking to the 50s as some Paragon of excellent marital Excellence I’m looking at um practically what human nature is what people are attracted to and the numbers what really works so I I already
Mentioned prayer I’m looking at what not necessarily uh Rolo but what the other red pill influencers are telling men to do don’t get married till you’re 30 or 35 I think you agree with that one um run around increase your sexual Marketplace value and have lots of sex
Well it turns out that if you have as many as three premarital sex partners this increases the odds of Divorce by 400% if that number if you’re body count goes to six that number increases your odds of divorce to 500% it goes all the
Way up it scales up so if you don’t want to get a divorce you do have to think ahead of time same as we tell the young women avoid premarital sex uh the numbers bear this out those are real numbers these aren’t religious numbers or something like that eventually pray
And most of all contraception contraception increases divorce before or during marriage between 160 and 200% depending on the types of contraception and I would say also this is the second point I never got to make earlier the purpose of marriage and family is uh uh is procreation and most Americans most
Christians are are included in this have onboarded a fundamentally contraceptive mindset um if you tell them hey what’s what’s the purpose of of nutrition why do we eat well that’s to get nutrients from food to be fit guys should have you know strong muscles women should be lean
And fat people are abusing the pleasure that they get as a byproduct from food what’s what’s the TS what’s The Natural end of your metabolic system it’s lean nutrition it delivers pleasure as a secondary thing uh everyone gets that particularly all the young men that are listening to the red pill they’re like
Yeah that’s cool then you say now let’s apply the same analysis to the reproductive system America Society has been brain swiped by a contraceptive mindset what’s the point of the male and the female procreative apparatus they’ll say oh well pleasure no it’s not pleasure it has a very very discreet very self-evident
Purpose it’s procreation and same as the fatty can abuse food and calories to put first things second and second things first and that’s what makes them fat you’re eating McDonald’s cheeseburgers because you think pleasure is the of food even though it’s a byproduct um if we reverse and as CS Lewis said put
First things first and second things second we understand that sex is fundamentally for family and yes it also delivers tons of pleasure everyone knows that then we will restore a view of marriage and family which is if you combine it with all the other things I’ve said uh properly ordered I I think
I think there is a conscious and willful effort to destroy I don’t think it’s a grand Illuminati scheme some people would argue that you know the globalists are trying to know to a certain degree yes there are powerful interests that think climate change they they follow the malthusian idea of the population
Bomb and stuff like that a lot of it though I think comes from the general concept of civil rights in that Live and Let Live so as you’re describing if people want to buy cheeseburgers and buy cheeseburgers they can buy cheeseburgers and most people agree you can eat your
Cheeseburgers but what ends up happening you end up with a nation of morbidly obese individuals who demand bigger plane seats bigger planes I mean this is nonsensical they want free healthare for their health ailments from their bad choices that we have to pay for when we
Are trying to do things right so I believe most of the issues we’re seeing is more emergent and I don’t know how you quite solve for that unless you say okay that’s it fine we’re putting punitive taxes like Bloomberg tried to do on sodas in New York well you also
Are looking at again the human animal the human machine right here so if you’re looking at if you want to talk about in terms of obesity rates right now the reason why we are the what 75% of the United States is like overweight something like 30 35% are morbidly obese
Right now why is that well because we have access to super high calorie high saturated fats you know seed oils whatever you want to call we 42% 42% okay so we have all of this access to foods that we never had in our evolutionary past of course we want of
Course we’re going to be our natural proclivity is going to be to overeat particularly high carb high starch diets because we didn’t have those that would that meant a really good survival uh Prospect to when we we were living in Hunter gather or tribes we wanted to
Have like you know nice sweet Foods because that gave us an energy boost that might also Aid us in our survival the same thing can be apply to sexuality the same thing can apply to whether it’s reproduction or it’s survival if you look at the if you look at where we it’s
It’s it’s uh what evolution psychologists will call a genetic Gap okay we are in a technological era right now where we’re still this animal that was on the you know subsaharan African plains that were now in sort of these semi medieval societies but with this Godlike technology at this point so we
Have we have we don’t have to chase down our food anymore we don’t have to hunt our food anymore we don’t have to expend the calories to get the calories anymore we can just simply go get it but the machine is the machine you you are correct uh you said overweight uh uh
Right now the latest numbers going for the Wikipedia to 2015 is about 80% of men are overweight with what looks like we’ve got 30% obese and about 10% morbidly obese and then uh average female weight is 170.56 oh my gosh so uh around 25% of women are overweight an additional what
Looks like holy smokes what are we looking at six 20 another is that another 35% are o obese and what looks like about 12 to 13% are morbidly obese overall overweight among women is a few points it appears lower as of 2015 than men I imagine it substantially worse n
Years ago yeah this is nine years ago I got to I got to pull up the the the the correct numbers holy crap you want to you want to increase uh human happiness and uh in marriage rates uh get your fat ass in there how you guys inspire people
Because we’re still the same we’re still the same machine we still have have the same proclivities for like what we find sexually attractive but we’re still everyone’s overweight but wait I wait I thought I thought you’re saying Roo that that marriage is an ancient idea that you sound
The ancient idea I’m just saying that it’s a formalization of monogamy is what it is but like for instance if this is an experiment that I run through is like whenever I go to an airport especially in Vegas you can walk through that what I would suggest people do is if you get
To TSA and you’re walking from TSA to your gate put your phone away and just people watch because the especially a major Metropolitan airport and just look at the people that are around you that’s the average American not the people sitting in this room not the people that
We have on access Vegas not the people that are on fresh and fit not the people that are on whatever whatever podcast you want to talk about those are not the average the average you will find walking from TSA to your gate just look at who who we’re talking about I want to
Say too like for everybody listening consider the opinions of all of us in this room and then realize like even Ian recently started lifting so this is not this like I imagine if you went and got a random sampling of Americans you’d have people being like what’s wrong with
Eating a cheeseburger and then like we’re more the kind of people it’s like you know I’ve been skateboarding for 20 some odd years so now I’ve added uh lifting to my I actually started doing proper training and stuff to get I saw your plates on the walk in here yeah we
Got a nice little gym nice little put some weight on there uh we uh so I got to do upper body CU I’ve only ever done lower body stuff but uh even even as an aside as you know I’m not someone who is typically tracking macros or doing any
Of that lifting stuff only recently I’ve done it but I have always been athletic and the interesting thing for skateboarders I call it the uh the low tier of professional sports literally I was talking about Richie Jackson I made the joke I’m like he’s he’s a professional athlete but he’s like the
Lowest tier skateboarders drink they smoke they don’t eat properly they wear weird clothes they just don’t care they don’t even realize they’re athletes so they’re getting an ancel areia like background benefit to their goofing off but I’m like it’s time to take these things seriously but but more to the
Point the opinions you’re hearing in this room are are a bunch of guys who have taken these things to a certain degree seriously and are trying to be responsible I I I think it would probably be worrying and terrifying to people if they if we actually just did
Like maybe we should do this too with when we mov to the new studio where we can do these panels where we just bring in a random sampling of people and ask them very similar questions they’re going to be like what do you have for breakfast and they’re going to be like
You know a handful of Pancakes leftover pizza you know I drink a a milkshake I I see these these this funny video this you said the the average weight of a woman is 170 and there was that Viral Tik Tok wom’s like I am am addicted to coffee and she’s holding a frappuccino
Is a it’s a milkshake not coffee people are like I love chocolate but no you’re talking about the sweetness which is the sugar if you eat chocolate it’s very bitter it is good it’s very good for you we’ve got raw cacao nibs which is it’s very very very fatty you got to be
Careful super high fat dark chocolate and when I have coffee I’ve uh I used to do I was doing a low carb high fat thing now I’m just doing black coffee it’s zero done zero calories how do you guys like with gluttony we’re kind of talking about the danger of gluttony like and
Lust the gluttony of the mind I mean with Instagram you pull up Instagram you see 90 different women in bikinis that’s not normal in the ’90s their AI too well that that guy sitting right over there is currently solving that problem is name is Nicholas stump Houser and he he
Is solving the precise problem inst Instagram Instagram is just marketing for women pretty much uh the it’s funnel marketing for women is basically what it is no I was going to say is we live in a again going back to the uh example I was talking about having you know access to
Uh unlimited access to high starch high carb foods um the same thing applies to pornography right now so we have like a a 9-year-old kid with a cell phone in hand has access to uh a level of sexuality that was reserved for like Caligula and ancient you know pharohs
And and and uh you know Caesars of the time that’s by Design porn is war because well everything that we’ve everything that we’ve done when we when we’re talking about sexuality um getting hardcore pornography used to be something like you had to really find you have to
Really go hunt for when in the mid 80s right like if if your uncle had a hustler or something like that that was that was considered something where you like you you’re going to hang on to this because this is your this is your Hustler right now you just need a cell
Phone now it’s free that’s why I was trying to make the point between like the difference between only fans and just and and hardcore pornography because only fans offer something that pornography does not but but got good news okay only fans is done okay women
In the workplace how so uh okay my this is this is hilarious men are AI generating hookers to put on Instagram and only fans to sell to other men and then these guys are getting addicted to these women and talking to them and it’s actually a dude the whole time so women
Are going to be placed are going to be priced out of the only fans Market because AI generated women can do more than a real woman we’re having this conversation again in 30 years about robots and about how humans and robots are not the same Rob no no no no no
We’re going to be in 30 years the podcast is going to have a robot being like you cannot deny me my rights I am alive I want and desire and you’re going to be like no you’re a machine you’re a washing machine we invented you and that’s going to be the debate except
We’ll have electrodes plugged into our brains to have the conversation we not actually be talking no I was going to say is I don’t I forget the name of the ACT there’s actually a name for this phenomenon but it’s every new invention every new me particularly media whether
It’s photography or it’s like a style of painting like Renaissance style painting up through uh the internet every new technology that is developed in um in human society it succeeds or fails in its applic application towards pornography towards facilitating human sexuality there’s a name for it I can’t
Remember the name of it but Uber too I mean you can go out with a girl go on a date get drunk and you don’t to drive I get this all the time like people will say like oh rer wouldn’t it be great if we uh if we would legalize prostitution
Right I live in Nevada okay would I’m big deal right but uh I I I tell these guys said we already do all you got to do is go on tr.com or save the or you know spare the games or some [ __ ] like that there’s there’s apps there’s an app
For that seeking Arrangement is is more for sugaring but if you go to tr or like skip the games is what it’s called that they’re basically applications that F facilitate inall and outall escorts and so you don’t you can live in in this you can live in Maryland I bet you anything
You could probably go on and probably have a hooker here in half an hour let me let me tell you uh we’ll we’ll do this for like the final portion of the show uh one thing we’ talked about quite a bit is how dating apps have altered
The market and resulted in uh inels and to a certain degree found cells but less so a lot of data showing that young men are more likely to be virgins uh I remember we had Sheamus Cogan on IRL and he said based and I said no no no no no
No no young men should be married and having families they shouldn’t be virgins so not based you know on the surface perhaps but here’s what I see happening and I talked about this quite a long time ago it used to be that uh at least when
I was growing up you didn’t have we uh 18 I think we had some social media apps in Myspace or something we didn’t really use it uh uh it wasn’t we we didn’t really have dating apps Okay Cupid I think was starting to come around but for the most part you’re an 18-year-old
Guy you start college now you’re in this community of you know a few thousand young people and you form Social Circles and so people are texting each other if you have a cell phones maybe some of you don’t because I think I 18 was before the ubiquity of the iPhone some people
Had phones some people didn’t have texting plans so you’re hanging out on campus you you meet a girl you hit it off now you’re dating her her dating options are 18 to 22 within my college campus and so sometimes a freshman girl’s dating you know a sophomore
Junior guy in college or something like that but for the most part it’s constrained to the geography dating apps come out and what happens now this 20-year-old uh woman in college is hanging out you know in a dorm she meets a bunch of people the next weekend this
20-year-old guy texts her saying hey you had really fun hanging out with you last weekend we should totally go and and hang out are you around and she thinks oh this guy’s kind of cute I liked him she says yeah let me see what the plans
Are then she goes on Tinder and she gets a message from a guy who’s 35 this guy’s got a convertible he makes $85,000 a year he lives uh in in a studio apartment facing the lake in Chicago and he texts her and says why don’t you come
Hang out with me we’ll drive down Lake Shore Drive in my convertible grab a bite to eat take you to the lake and she goes wo then she texts back the other guy what are you up to and he goes we’re hanging out in the dorm and she goes
That’s cool hey I think I’m busy tonight how how is a 20-year-old guy going to compete with a with a 30-year-old 35y old or 30-year-old guy who’s got all of this access he can give and it’s not I’m not I’m not putting any uh uh shame or anything on the woman she’s being
Presented with two options a young man with limited resources Choice Paradox and and an older guy who can give her a wild and fun night and and more resources so what we ended up seeing in some of this data was that guys who were in their 30s were actually having more
Sex and guys in their 20s were having less sex I think that is indicative of the social media because you’ve opened it up to a global Marketplace like I was saying before and I also want to point out that like a lot of people i’ fielded this question before a lot of people
Will take you to task on that saying well you know not all like think about how many women there are in in college campuses like just say between the ages of 18 and like I know 28 somewhere in there and are they all going off to fly
Getting flued out to Miami to go to go be on yach parties that’s not the point the point isn’t if they’re actually doing that the point is that the perception is that they could be doing that but but it’s not even that it’s it’s a pressure system oh yeah if if the
If the operation of these apps increases the rate by which women are going to older men by 5% it’s skewing in that direction creating pressure where it becomes increasingly harder then what happens when a 20-year-old woman who’s in college posts a video maybe it’s one
Out of 10,000 y but she posts a video on Instagram where she’s like yacht party look at what I got there I’m with Drake and or there’s some dude and he’s wearing like he he’s he he works out he’s fit he’s got a ton of money and he
Rented a yacht you can rent these Yachts Yachts if you’re doing like a 4-Hour tour a couple Grand a couple Grand so a guy could save up and do it one time or he and his buddies all pull in 400 bucks 500 bucks and then they they pitch
Together to get the yacht then they tell these young women hey I’ll fly you out here for them it’s a quick hookup that young woman then post on social media look what I’m getting to do other women are like why aren’t I getting to live this glamorous life I’m I’m hotter than
That [ __ ] I could get I could do that but then here okay so here’s the darker side of that all of that 100% agree then you get the Tinder swindler oh right so like because essentially what he’s doing is he’s he’s like it’s never been easier
To um to manufact fabricate the cues of higher value today you can go rent a Lamborghini go take an Instagram shot of it or like uh you have all these guys or these women who are like a goat they literally have these uh you know these dummy uh private jet Interiors where you
Can go sit down and pretend like you’re like on your your Lear jet going somewhere it’s [ __ ] but like people will you can go pay a fee go get your Instagram shots and then you know hey real real Jets yeah they rent out real jets for photo shoots someone pointed
This out in a viral uh video on Tik Tok and Instagram that the jet covers were on and the woman was walking up and smiling as she got into the Jet and they were like no one boards a jet with the jet cover already on she’s she’s it’s
She’s faking it there’s a really funny 4chan green text post where a guy is he’s like he’s like 56 manlet overweight I don’t know if you saw this one and he’s like decide to stop sitting around doing nothing hire uh hire friends to make fake music video rent a rent a boat
And wear fake gold chains dancing on it start sending messages to women he’s like buy fake followers send messages to women on Instagram saying that I’m a famous rapper and they should come party with me getting laid why aren’t you guys fraud maxing yet fraud maxing I like
That sh clearly clearly at least we’re capturing the essence of it um this is this [ __ ] is it’s degeneracy and the people that want to something more which is a Resurgence can find something more um like we started a matchmaking site which um is it functions on a biological principle called assortative pairing
Where basically a four out of 10 should should match with a four out of 10 or a five out of 10 and people with similar body counts will find each other this is a um evos pych and and biological perspective that people are with social media not doing their best to Steward
Their own options to collocate their own options they’re want young men are wanting they have a higher threshold for uh uh a lower threshold for hooking up with chicks and women have a a lower threshold for getting married and this is making people miss well if we go back
To matchmaking we’ve already had two engagements on the site we opened less than a year ago folks that are serious about finding marriage that are serious about being inspired young probably apostatized Christian white dudes uh mostly but but Christian American dudes they realize the recre recreational isation of sex that you’re describing
Here is gay it’s the gay Cruiser lifestyle for Straits like like premarital sex is is gay uh contraception is [ __ ] gay what they want if they want a pretty thin fit lovely wely young wife can still be gotten you got to look in the right place and you what the right place is
Church in word Barnes & no church church church is part of it but church has been infiltrated partly I agree but I I do believe that there is a what’s uh if if we’re looking at the solutions that are available one of the strongest and most obvious is go to
Church I’m not Christian uh believe in God definitely not an atheist but uh I think it’s plainly obvious that people of strong moral structures so I’m not saying that church is a guarantee you find a good person certainly there are bad churches but I’m saying the
Likelihood that you if you want to have a marriage and a family going to church is 100 times you are more likely to find a life partner male or female who is going to have similar values agree we don’t get divorced that is aoral that is
Evil that is wrong we are in this together through Better or For Worse till death do us part you go to a bar and meet a woman yeah you’re going to get divorced you meet a woman in church like you said with praying substantially substantially less likely video sha was
Saying that I did his Unusual Suspect down at Value tment and he was like but what do you do to you like you believe in God like how long you been believing in God over there like how do you hit on someone at church but I understand morning you said return with
A V that’s the name of the we just found it it it’s return with R vrn Us this is where people can go and meet other serious young people this is all we talk I interviewed 170 young women all between last summer and fall and again none of these are are perfect
People but they’re all for the most part thin Christian a lot of them are recent reverts they’re not like they’ve been living their lives in church and all they say they say the same thing they reflect the same Deiter for male you want if possible six feet and six
Figures the the dating app six baby sixpack AB six’ tall here’s the thing but here’s the thing um they want men who are they’re slightly more giving on this they want men who are virgins or low body count just just as the other way around and we pair them on R vrn do
Us we pair them with someone that nature should do before social media [ __ ] it all up assortative pairing Google have two anecdotal stories for you first one is uh the I I agree with you first of all but I also disagree I’m I’m on both sides of this my daughter uh met her
Husband at church okay so she just got married uh she’s 25 and she just got married in August and so and exactly the way that he’s you guys are describing uh great I met my wife at a gig that I was playing it was at a bar and it was the
Place that you’re not supposed to meet high quality women and you’re not supposed to you know not supposed to you know you’re never you’re going to you’re going to get divorced well here I am 27 and A2 years later my daughter is now married and looks like we’re doing
Pretty well for ourselves so it’s possible I’m not say it helps that my my wife and I are on the same wavelength you know spiritually and and LifeWise and everything else so I mean that’s can it happen yes I’m sure it has happened will will it happen again for other
People I don’t know going forward but I do know this is that it can happen in both situation a lot of Christianity has been infiltrated by feminism particularly the Roman Catholic Church which is ironic because we have no divorce and a lot of these Christians don’t pray the seven minutes together
Per day tell them to do so if you want to guarantee with 1151 1150 seconds that they won’t I I want to say this as a matter of fact not opinion there is a strong likelihood a strong correlation between a church attendance and higher rates of Happiness
Uh just based on all of the ancillary factors around what it is I don’t go to church a lot of people who work here do go to church and that’s that’s you know and and it’s a big deal uh but it’s not so much about faith for there is a
Component of having faith and and and uh having higher rates of happiness it is quite literally just Community Comm communal Bond people who are there for you I’m not saying that by walking into a church and praying you feel happier I’m saying when you’re around people who
Can support you you feel happier when you’re around people who can help you with moving you’re happier when you have Community you are happier you meet like like-minded people you will be happier strong correlation so I don’t need to say church I say that because it’s a traditional thing in this country that
People used to do and we lost it could literally be anything where people come together on a regular basis to share ideas and uh uh be together and have Community then when someone’s like uh so if if you’re really sad if you’re depressed maybe you lost your job maybe
Uh you lost a family member but you have something you consistently do like going to church and you show up people are like Ian’s looking pretty sad once I Ian are you all right you’d be like my cousin man and they’re going to they’re going to you’re going to have people
Around you they’re going to hug you they’re going to take care of you that is increasing your rate of support and happiness we right now don’t have it because people just lock themselves in their houses it’s also the prayer there’s something about like really focusing on a similar concept together
That is very bonding and I think you said you met your wife at at a bar playing music that’s a kind of prayer I fine playing music is that vibration like it is certainly like an electromagnetic resonance in your brain that probably stimulates something similar to thinking and speaking I met
My bar my wife at a bar playing playing I was playing music so let me me get really quick on on your one of the things about happiness is it’s very hard to quantify happiness whenever people say oh these people are happier childless women are happier than than
Women who have children right I’ve seen articles like that I’ve seen the opposite too I think when we use happiness happiness is like the the carrot on the end of the stick happiness is a proximate goal it is not an old ultimate goal so when we say well are
You happy in your marriage well we’re happy when we’re doing something happiness is an emotion it’s what we feel when we have something we’re doing something that is intrinsically rewarding it’s moving us from one state to another same thing with depression same thing with anxiety any even neg
Negative emotions are easier to sort of like you know sort of categorize here but essentially what it’s doing is it’s saying well in happiness you’re doing this thing you find something intrin playing guitar uh find that intrinsically rewarding you’ll keep doing that because the act of playing
Guitar or whatever it is that makes you happy that feeling is going to drive you from one state to another state that’s why I get really been out of shape when people go well you know married people are happier this person is happier this person who does this is happier it’s
Like no that is just the the carrot at the end of the stick because what you’re doing is you’re saying that happiness is an ultimate goal it is not an ultimate goal what you’re feeling by Def it’s by doing and that’s why when he was saying
Like when you go to church you feel happiness yes 100% agree you’re talking about happiness as pleasure no what you’re saying is is contentment I’m no not even pleasure but I’m saying contentment it’s we’ve been you want to know why why uh there’s an astronomical uh amount of women who are being uh
Prescribed uh ssris and anti-depressants right now is because we’ve sold them on this idea that happiness is this achievable maintainable goal State you’ll never be depressed you’ll never be pissed off you’ll never feel anxiety you’re always going to be happy happy all the all the [ __ ] time and if we can
By the way nothing sells better than a sustained idea that happiness is something that you could keep going it’s not because it’s something that you feel in the doing Western Civilization I mean before Christianity I’m talking Aristotle the the the one who looms over all of Western Civilization says precisely the opposite western
Civilization was built on udonia a greatek concept for a moral happiness that is by definition the TS the goal the purpose of human beings the human State it’s not pleasure pleasure is the test for whether or not you’ve attained a virtue happiness is literally when we
Talk about it in its moral status the purpose of human being and this is before before Christianity this is on boarded by Christianity it’s it’s the purpose so we’re we you’re talking about pleasure R we’re talking about moral talking about two different no there there is there is the fleing and there
Is there is the stable there is the I experience hardship in my day but I am fulfilled I am Happ fulfillment happiness and fulfillment are I see as both being right the the idea I think you’re bringing up is that even in our darkest days we we have a moral we
Have a logical understanding of of like there there’s there’s no point at which someone is just always happy they step on a nail they’re not going to be like this is great they’re going to be like ah what’s wrong it’s the worst day ever but they are of Sound Logic mind to say
Look my life is generally good I can’t let this steeping on a nail get me down today but see for the test is for air subtle yeah bad things happen bad [ __ ] happens but for Aristotle um and and and the West until like they they deliberately ripped Aristotle out of the
Universities in the 17 and 1800s um it’s called the purpose uh test something that serves its function will be happy so if wrenches were capable of being happy or not a wrench that is doing its function the best would be the happiest wrench and human beings this is
Fundamentally where there’s a lot of agreement between what Rolo is saying and what I’m saying fundamentally human beings have a goal or a purpose we have an ergon which is how we get to that TS and um the TS is our purpose we will be happy when we’re doing as male human
Beings what we were put here to do or as female human beings what we were put here to do this this before 300 years before Christianity I want to say one more thing and then we’ll do I’ll give my final thought and then we’ll go around for everybody else’s uh I want to
Give a shout out to Andrew Tate for something he said uh I don’t listen to a lot of Andrew Tate ever but I saw this clip where he said said whether I’m happy or sad does not matter if I wake up and I am sad it does not matter what
Matters is that I do my job whether I’m happy or said I’m going to do my job and uh it’s a I’m paraphrasing the general quote but that resonated with me if I wake up and I’m not feeling well it doesn’t matter I have a job to do
Whether I’m happy or upset or whatever I have to do the best that I can do and so I I I think that’s an important thing to understand when you w when you wake up when you experience hardship you can choose to give up or keep going in the
Face of that hardship and perseverance is the number one factor in success so we’ll throw it to you guys for final thoughts on all this as we wind things up I don’t know who wants to go first I’ll I’ll just go really quickly here as far as like happiness is concerned or
Sadness or anything else those are human emotions I can change your emotion by changing your biochemistry right now they’re not magic there’s not something that Pixi us from like outer space or some [ __ ] like that I can shoot you up with what uh you know 200 milligrams of
Of trend and you’re going to feel different it’s going to alter your mood okay so it’s not I think really what it comes down to is the difference is is the emotions that we feel as human beings like whether it’s Instinct emotion and reason when we’re looking at
The uh we’re looking at the emotional set of things we have those as human beings as part of our innate sort of nature to move us from one state to another so when like Andrew Tate says something like you know uh was it depression doesn’t really exist no it
Exists but you just don’t understand the nature of that depression it’s meant to move you from one state that’s untenable for for you to another state that is tenable for you same thing with happiness your purpose can be found in what it is that is making you happy okay
So if your purpose is to play guitar and guitar makes you feel happy while you are doing it well guess what you just found your purpose right guess what now you want you want to paint the cinee chapel great awesome you feel good when you’re doing that you feel bad when
You’re not doing those things or when you’re when you’re limited and restrained from doing those things that’s great The Human Condition is defined by discontent not by content if anybody if you get the the new the new uh you you get your new degree you get
The new job you get the new wife you’ll be I’ll be happy once I get these things and then once you get those things you’re like [ __ ] where’s the next where’s the next Plateau where’s the next where’s the next part of the mountain that I need to climb to that’s
The whole point of being happy that’s the whole point that there’s nothing wrong with being discontent in fact discontent is a feature not a bug of human nature that’s what keeps us going that’s why we are the predominant species on this planet is because we’re always we’re always discontent in a good
Way you can manage that discontent either destructively or constructively so when you’re doing it constructively you’re building things you’re it’s pro-social when you’re doing it destructively it’s antisocial so anyways that’s what I got to say well I mean that’s a good conception of what we call the hedonic treadmill where where
Pleasure is taken to be happiness but I would I would seek to speak to all the young men out there and I would just say look we need most of you are in some sense apostatized Christians and therein lies the way but but take it back a few hundred more
Years Aristotle the master of those who know has given us the Playbook this 300 years before even Christianity in a book called the nicoman ethics uh true happiness is attainable it’s uh the function argument it’s when you are doing what you were put here to do and a
Different goal for men and women for for men this means the public life this means activity expression for females from women it means the home life Domesticity it means receptivity support passivity in in large ways and Aristotle’s function argument dictates that sure with all the vicissitudes of
Life the waves that come that crash on you can make your day feel shitty you can’t control everything that’s pleasure we’re talking that and that’s just a mood or a disposition as Aristotle says book book two of the ethics what’s deeper is your habit and forming your character with morality and
And the manly virtues and quite simply young men out there can still achieve happiness through all of this [ __ ] through through the porn addictions through you know the pitfalls out there there’s I candy the second we step out that door premarital sex and all the the
Fornication it’s all a trap for you so you could still do it just avoid all those pitfalls and look where you’re supposed to look serve your function best it’s very different for men and women it’s still very attainable and it’s attainable in altogether natural forms yeah I I I see
Happiness and fulfillment we we may be having slightly different definitions for the same words which is ultimately you know why we talk about what those words mean with each other but like happiness is like I see it as like oh I I beat the video game I’m I’m hanging
Out with my friends I’m laughing I’m so happy then the gam turns off I’m like where are my kids what am I doing with my life I I have not reached fulfillment even though I experienced bouts of happiness in the moment but that’s just
How I Define it so I don’t know but I think there’s differences between spiritual fulfillment and emotional happiness they seem very different and they can Co they can coexist and they should coexist I think ideally but they’re not the same thing so so you know short-term pleasure ain’t always
The way and I’m just happy we did this man I wish the show was longer this is really gentlemen this has been a whole lot fun so everybody who’s watching make sure you subscribe to tenet media smash that like button share the show if you
If you liked it uh do you guys want to shout anything out before we wrap up yeah sure uh just the rational mail.com that’s my blog that’s where I do a lot of my writing I’m also on substack you can look me up there um I also am the
Co-host of access Vegas uh we do it every Thursday night uh it’s a panel show with a lot of girls um and then I also have my show which is the rational mail every Sunday at 1 p.m. Pacific 400 p.m. Eastern yeah thanks again this has been
A lot lot of fun I think very very constructive uh the the matchmaking site that’s producing engagements left and right is uh return. us RV rn. us I’m on YouTube I do a three times a week show at Timothy Gordon the show is called rules for retrogrades my book is the
Case for patriarchy everything I was talking about today stats included is there in the case for patriarchy my wife has a book called ask your husband and that one has so far outsold mine for whatever that’s worth um also we’re going to be releasing a documentary this fall called what a woman
Is which uh sounds like a sequel but it’s not it’s an original that that is a italicized what a woman is about true intersexuality and the function argument the way that men and women were truly designed to be with each other and to make one another happy as long as a man
Doesn’t act like a chick and a chick doesn’t act like a dude I love your solution oriented mindset man thanks thanks I appreciate you bro follow me Ian Crossland I guess if you want to no no do it uh we’ll see you tonight at on timcast IRL 8:00 p.m. Eastern Standard
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