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From Saturday win against the Rangers to don’t get so low with a 4-1 loss to the Boston Bruns where are you between Saturday and last night because you don’t know you know I was contemplating yesterday grabbing that clip off of you at the beginning where you’re you you got super optimistic a
Littleit coming off I didn’t want to do that you I didn’t want to bring that back up but yeah it just goes to show you and I’m not that far off of you and and we know we’re it’s just such a roller coaster with this team it is and
It isn’t I I think I’m going to be the most frustrating version of myself today to have a show where show with for you guys cuz I thought they were pretty good last night I didn’t think they were that bad I you terrible start they fell
Behind the game and they chased the game the whole way and that was hard but I thought they created just as much as Boston did I thought they well I know they had way more time in the Boston end than the Trump end you know it to me one
Goalie was really good and uh and the Leafs got off to a bad start and you know they weren’t able to catch up I think with a worse goalie in net or a couple of better finishes to different games so I didn’t think they were that
Bad last night you think they they got pumped uh I I just think uh no I don’t think they they got pumped yeah but I I have question marks and you said terrible start so I I’m okay with you saying terrible start but like I want answers to why a terrible
Start why weren’t you ready to play why do you win a Faceoff at 705 puck drop get the puck in deep and then breakway look for a breakaway six seconds later maybe four between Boston behind their net and then breakway Somebody explain to me how how
That happens I am not capable of doing that the the best I can do is that this team does tend to get complacent when they have a lot of success you know the Rangers game felt like they really prove to the good teams they can play with the
Good teams and maybe they just you know we’ll settle in and you know we’ll show our stuff as this game gets going but no it the Bruins came in with a purpose and uh and the leaf certainly did not I the Leafs are us usually up for these kind
Of games yeah that’s true like to me I was pretty stunned by that start and I feel like I have a really good feel of this team by now I have a master’s degree in in this team but I I don’t know why they started like that that’s
You know they have a great game on Saturday against the Rangers which we talked about a bunch yesterday yeah they go into that game against a division rival one that they’re potentially going to play in the playoffs with a ton of History yeah I just don’t get why that
Would be the way you would start the game wouldn’t that be one of the ones that this team usually gets up for and plays hard it was just a really confounding start to me and it cost them the game it was really weird I didn’t see that coming no I didn’t either you
Know and I just I guess when I see a lot of criticism of the Leafs when I go online and the reaction to these games it’s treated like some sort of moral failing like you know they they didn’t try or they don’t care or they don’t
Whatever you know I didn’t see that and I know I’m I’m kind of swimming Upstream on that but I thought they played a pretty good hockey game you’re right the start I agreed we need some answers for what happened there while you come out of the gate you’re out of position you
Know you give up the first few goals that’s stunk but you know that 50 minutes of decent hockey to me is not um anything to panic about I don’t feel much different about the team today than I did two days ago that’s fair although let me say this I’m glad it happened 72
Hours before trade deadline line so they can go that defense isn’t good enough like like the Leaf’s defense we need someone else Timothy lilligren was awful Brody terrible like I’m glad it was like Hey if we’re going to beat the Bruins we don’t have enough here we’re still going
To need more do you really think that like Brad TR even needed to see that last night to come to the conclusion that you’re talking about they were starting to like the smell of their own farts ke nine wins and 10 they were starting to go maybe we’re okay maybe we
Don’t want to disrupt the here there’s a bit of fulin huffing I would say if if what you’re saying if it if it’s remotely true yeah I don’t like your chances of finding the answers between discovering this last night and Friday at 3 p.m. no no that’s really cramming you don’t think last
Night oh man we need to cram before the exam no no it’s then you’re giving them credit and you think they knew they needed to I would hope that they’ve been working on something and I would hope that things are in place right now so you can put the final
Stamp of approval on it and get it done to me this was they were in their office going do we really want to give up a first for David Savar are we sure we want to do this and then after the game they all went yeah we do we definitely
Want to do that deal yeah I just are they a David sard away from being a competitive Blue Line buddy there was headlines in the Toronto Sun uh last year in the deadline great work doobie I believe was the headline wow they like you’re never over the hump
No was that the Ryan O’Reilly yeah you’re never over the hump you get as good as you can and cross your fingers yeah but I you know it’s not like no one’s perfect yeah now we get name the best player available hannahan and B navit they get them both is that enough
To win a cup I don’t know yeah maybe who knows I don’t know all right let’s go to Sheldon Kei for our first kippers Clipper on playing the Bruins last night they’re a premier team in the league you know every night you play them it’s you’re in for a tough night uh
So yeah it was exactly what we expected in that sense there you go so he says every night you’re in for a tough night against the Bruins the one thing that I kind of got reminded last night on is the Bruins and the culture of the Bruins why won it die
What’s that if you’re a Lea fan why won’t the culture die it won’t die is it Brad Maran he the thread it doesn’t die so here they are supposedly weaker than they were just a few years ago no Patrice berser on you know they lose kiche Lind Holmes their
Best defenseman no Hall and yet that culture came through last night and that’s why Sheldon says every every night it’s tough against them every night and with the leavs not every night’s tough some nights are great Saturday night and then some nights are kind of not great yeah
And I put the I put the the culture for the Leafs was not great last night yes there were Windows when they looked okay but Boston’s culture doesn’t allow many nights where you’re just going we just don’t have it we just don’t have it and and Pastor doesn’t allow that like last night
Guys Leafs had no answer Marner wasn’t an answer for pastor Knack last night Matthews wasn’t an answer and neander wasn’t an answer for Pastak he was by far the best guy in the rank Pastak like not even close no not even close agree but here’s the thing isn’t that Sammy
Isn’t that a problem in itself that you’re paying these guys 101 million and it’s not even close yes I would NE I would not argue with that but I think this this culture thing you’re talking about they’ve lost how many since the All-Star break nine of 13 or whatever
Their culture is they get up to play the Leafs they love beating the Leafs they know they own the Leafs they’re not afraid of their big boys they come into this matchup and they know that they can go in there and they can impose their will that’s the big part of this culture
Is that they’re not afraid of the least big guys at all and pastra clearly loves playing against the leafes mar loves it and that’s a huge issue for me when you go into playoffs and you look at the other team’s elite players you know when you run the Matthews line head-to-head
With the Bruins guys or whether it’s I don’t know Colorado’s guys or it’s Vegas’s guys like there hasn’t been enough times where you feel like in good meaningful games that the Leafs guys head-to-head just roll over the past neck line or they dominate the kachuck line you know in Florida like it
They haven’t shown yet that in big games their line can be the best line on the ice consistently and even on Saturday it wasn’t the those guys that did it right like anyways all right let’s go to Sheldon keth on his overview of what he thought about last
Night Boston played hard they defended their net extremely well and and I thought we’re better than us in that area for sure but I think you know when they make good on their chances and we don’t make good on ours you tend to overanalyze the the game and and and
Overemphasize the negative but we did a lot of good things here today but you can’t just do good things and expect to beat a team like Boston you got to you got to do great things You’ got to be ultra competitive you’ve got to be great
On special teams there’s a lot of things need to line up and they enough of those for us tonight the leaes outp possessed the the Bruins by more than I’ve seen them outp possess a team in a while I know and you guys don’t care about that but like to
His point I think there’s a lot of analysis going into you know the game where if shots go in it probably feels a lot different but the brues do defend the net very well bunus had a point on Leaf’s talk with him last night where he basically
Said that this felt like a playoff game where Le fall down one or two and then they play great for the whole game but they can’t quite get inside and the goalie plays really well and it’s just one of those frustrating chase the game nights that felt like a playoff failure
Did he throw in that the power play kind of disappears power play disappears you give up a shorty I mean the power play was the turning point in the game MH because I thought they played pretty yeah outside of the wide open Breakaway on the first possession of the game for
The the Bruins I thought the leas were pretty good in terms of they earn that penalty it feels like and then they get every bit of momentum off of that power play and they go up two and they never look back so was really strange when Marner turned just didn’t made a bad
Play on that one and then he didn’t skate back I think he thought Sam or wall was going to come out of the net to play it maybe but like no one there’s no urgency from anyone to get back is this the uh jvr uh it didn’t end in a goal it
Was just the very first pk where they gave up three chances Leafs are 0 for 14 on the power play and there six consecutive losses to the Bruins I think that might even speak to a guy like Brad marshan who I think will go down in history as one of the better penalty
Killers in our game like he’s just so good yeah yeah he’s not the same guy that he was he’s obviously gone down in terms of like his production and like I don’t even think he’s as noticeable as he has been in years past he’s just been with he’s been with Patrice berser on
All these years but still has such a good impact on the game like he’s a responsible player like you said he’s a great penalty killer I I really do think that the leaf have made strides and I don’t want this to be too negative because I do see your side of the story
But when you see the way it looks last night and it’s just the same old story against the same old team that you’re going to play in the same old first round of the playoffs that’s where you start to panic a little bit as a fan D
Do you have anyone have any wall thoughts do you blame wall at all for the outcome last night or no I don’t think so I mean still been off for a very long time 9 weeks two two two months and what two weeks you’re okay with them starting
Them H um I I certainly had the feel like samsonov this time yesterday I we I said samsonov and then then wall uh now what do you do now you’re going to go back to Boston you’re going back to to after what we assume samsonov is going to start tomorrow night against Buffalo
What are your thoughts you know my thoughts are that I think it’s fantasy to pretend that if we just you know the less we play this guy don’t show him to Boston whatever like I think he needs to play and he needs to play a good team
And get reps and you know be in big games against good teams so what’s it going to feel like so I I go back to wall it’s not on it’s not on the lineup here but we do have a clip uh from ke on Joseph wall uh D there I think it’s clip
Five in I thought he was fine you know fours too many but but um like I said they defended their net a lot better than we defended ours here tonight the quality chance I thought that we gave up was uh was a little more challenging than theirs I would say the
Exception maybe like I gave gave that example on the third goal um you know we we just had a great great chance third goal he gets a glove on it and and then we give one up and and right after and it goes in our net um the exception of
That you know I thought I thought Joseph battled and you know we got to get him going we got to get him more games before we really start critiquing him but you know I don’t think he was certainly was not an issue for us tonight they’re just going to have to
Work him in and pick his spots but he’s not going to play four in a row it doesn’t appear like that’s going to happen between now and the end of the regular season no I I mean would you go back to him Wednesday and then go samsonov Thursday Saturday that’s what
You like right yeah that’s what I like but I mean it’s just I don’t like showing him to Boston twice in my opinion yeah to me it’s not like a picture though you know like you know like I I don’t feel like he does anything unique to goaling that they’re
Going to be like aha we figured out his yeah I know but in all probability are we looking at Toronto and Boston the first round yeah right right now it’s the odds on favorite you want do do you envision Joe wall starting in Boston game one and
Then having two losses in a week in the back of his mind is irrelevant by then yeah I don’t know like I I don’t think it’s I do think it’s relevant it’s relevant for sure but I don’t think that disqualifies him in any way like you know do you
Think that Boston now is like do we want to show him Swan twice in a row like they no they trust this guy’s better than opposition and he’s going to get his saves and can can we go just maybe gets a win feels good about himself do
You have any more on the go tending because I just wanted to go kind of back to the the Bruins penalty kill against the Leafs no I’m good but what why does it seem that they just own the least power play is that that they’re they’re
Moving it too slow I don’t know what it is it just doesn’t feel like a good stylistic match up for the Leafs I know they had one pulled off the line there but it felt like that was really their only chance it’s a stylistic matchup that doesn’t
Fit my eye I hate to do this but uh oh no it’s it might be still Morgan Riley yeah yeah like was the was I don’t know the numbers was a power play on fire without him and then he comes back loving show we’ve established but no one’s saying he’s a
Pp1 wizard I don’t know if he’s the top half of the league of guys who are power play Demon so is it because he’s either looking too much for Austin or a factoring that he doesn’t have a threat for a shot that he’s not making decisions fast enough that teams are
Able to to read better with him back there you got to go back to the thought guys that for whatever reason Brad tree living and and brenon Shanahan thought that they needed kingberg more than anything for a power play option yeah you didn’t get
It and there was no plan B it was just just go back to Morgan Riley and I’m wondering that you know if you’ve kind of showed your cards a little bit to to go out there and get kingberg when really he’s just been on the downside of his career for like the
Last two years but you had the one thing hanging was that he could shoot a puck yeah and he could come in and help Morgan on a power play and he had moments when he played early in the year on the power play where you’re like okay
I get it like the way he snapped it around his decision making at the top it was the one thing yeah the only thing but then you lose them and then you’re like do you try again or do you just revert back to no what you thought wasn’t working great
You know what was their power play and playoffs last year I don’t remember their percentage I know it wasn’t great against Florida right but it was it was good against Tampa it it was successful against the the lightning and that helped them through I think you just say
Go I hope we get that version of it again you know and and encourage Morgan I think to do what he does quickly make decisions quickly and shoot it when there’s a lane there has to be somebody that they’re searching for between now and Friday that can again I’m not saying
Replace Morgan on the power play but you can have a second option as a point guy what do you mean Chan who you talking about well there’s always the last little while on Chan as an as a as a guy that the Leafs has shown interest I I
Don’t think there’s any time to be honest with you uh to pull that off time you need 10 minutes to make a phone call okay I I’ll agree with you you’re right I’m wrong now left-handed shot does that bother you he’s not right so much he’s not right
Yeah is that enough to squash the thought of CH no it’s not enough to squash it I’m thinking about it you know the it’s so funny Kip like you know seeing names out there that fit what the Leafs are after David saard right big right shot guy who
Kills penalty their penalty kill stinks too but that’s less likely to happen now because you got leushin is it less I think so I do think so I mean let’s be clear their penalty kill is a much bigger P problem than their power play in the big picture they’re in the bottom
Third of the NHL and penalty killing yeah you know and I mean you spent does that lend towards maybe getting I’ll throw the name out Nick Dow from Washington Capitals has a feel of a center PK guy more depth yeah I’d be into that that helps you know that helps
Right we’re trying to get 1% better at the fringes at some point it’s not a terrible suggestion um bigger picture on the back end yeah what about this thing everyone’s talking about pero Colton pero St Louis Blues the thing that scares me the most on Colton Paro guys if I’m not mistaking
Six more years at 6 and5 million Sammy he’s making 6.2 until the year 29 62 we’ll be a flying cars by then like we’ll still be on the air by then for sure yeah you know and will he will he ever hit the level that he had when they beat the
Boston Bruins to win the Stanley Cup will you ever get that Colton Breo left and there are back issues he’s 30 so you’re getting a age 30 to 36 the comparable turning 31 this year is he yeah you know the thing I mentioned to Sam when we brought this up briefly
Before the show is it it reminds me of the Oliver emman Larson contract where it’s really long on a guy you liked and he had a couple down years and you said boy but if he becomes the guy he was before we’ve got a good one and the
Organization is going we’ll give them to you for next to nothing just take them you know and and then you’re getting a buyout type player in a few years I I worry about that but do you I mean it’s been a hot conversation guys’s been texting about it I’ve been getting a lot
Of messages from my friends I see it on X see it on Instagram like do you think they’re interested in prco is that somewhere they actually would go you do well listen there’s a big difference in than showing interest and actually yeah of course getting close yeah I just
Don’t know if they’d be willing to completely take that contract off their hands well I mean no one’s doing retention on a six-year deal right you’re you’re wearing it entirely so I cannot see San Jose did it on four for Carlson I can’t see Doug Armstrong
Taking uh keeping any salary off of that I can’t see he historically doesn’t do that he doesn’t like that yeah I can’t like to retain for that Paro contract like if St Louis is like we want to unload this deal we’ll take TJ Brody off
Your hands um so you guys can make the Cap Fit this year you take Paro one for one all of a sudden you’re you know you make it you got your fit is better right you’ve got a right shot guy you like it in the short term you just again you really worry
About how that age is I’m not sure St Louis is in the uh we’d love to just give him away either no I don’t think that they’re willing to give him away I mean he’s a massive right-hand shot defenseman that skates beautifully and initiates offense and like yeah he’s not
You know he’s not contct is not that bad no it’s just you worry about what it’s going to look like at the end but that’s a guy out of anyone that’s out there now that you could legitimately picture pairing with Morgan Riley and being like that guy can play
20 minutes 24 minutes in a playoff series right there’s no one else out there like I’m worried they’re gonna play leushin with him the whole time you should be yeah you should be very worried you put you put I haven’t hated leushin was good two games I like him I
I I’ll be honest I’ve have not watch Colton Paro remotely close enough to tell you if he can still play like he did four years ago I know that I’ve watched I don’t know a half dozen Blues games this year and couldn’t tell you anything he’s
Done which you know that might be good that might be bad but he he’s never noteworthy some of the fancier stats that I’ve seen on my X today seem to lend to him still being pretty good they do like him so I that’s the only one for
Me but it just it’s such a huge risk that contract is just such a massive risk okay where do you guys want to go you want to stay on the D with till uh Timothy Li we might as well address it I do yeah what’s going on um you want to
Go to Sheldon first or you want to yeah let’s let’s go to show okay let’s hear his thoughts uh just he’s got to dust himself off and get ready for the next game we got four games in six nights here this week and we’re right back at
It tomorrow there’s no time for for anything other than preparing for the next one you know we uh we’ve given him a great opportunity here um one that we thought he was building some positive momentum and doing well you know and you take a a step back or
Slip a little bit you you got to just got to be confident in the good things that you’ve done be confident after that quote can we get the start of that as a drop please D doing this are we no no just no no the
One that got me was the one after he sighed right okay can we get again go you know just he’s got to dust himself off that’s it that’s it that’s it that’s the that’s the money shot right there just dust himself off what does that mean that’s
Like after it means get a dustbuster just he needs a dustbuster ling in a PO of his own blood just going how’d he do in the fight hope he does better in the next one dust yourself off uh he terrible terrible he really good for a stretch of games and
Then he missed a couple for an absence that no one will tell us what happened or what the injury was and boy he Stood Beside people shooting in the net all night last night the one was it which one the four the fourth goal where it’s
A three on three and he has a guy and he just decides to watch the guy behind the net and his guy his guy just shoots it in the net was like what do you think your role is here he is so confounding to me you know and I’ve heard people say
Like you know when the you have these guys who make these brain farts at least they’re usually in players that have these like offensive burs where you’re like tradeoff like f or Gardener or Jake McCabe even on the Leafs now where it’s like I’m okay with some of these things
Because you give you this thing lilligren I don’t what does he give me to make that worth it yeah like what is it you get okay and then that it’s not offense it’s not defense no so what is it I don’t know he he’s Goldie Lock he’s the opposite of Goldilocks it’s the
Opposite of goldilock he’s just looking for something that’s just right yeah he is and that’s it hasn’t been so I don’t know I don’t know what that means for playoffs for him it’s one game you know but it really funny that Keith was asked about him he was like next game we we’ll
Hope he’s better in the next one but it’s just the inconsistencies would kill you if you’re Kei but he yeah he can’t start doing this March 5th you know if you’re going to be a guy they they go into the deadline saying okay he’s one one of our
Six but can’t look like that I mean would anybody around here talking be offended if he wasn’t part of the six no I have said recently that I think he will be but that’s due to a lack of options now you have leushin you have another right shot guy if they get
Another right shot guy all of a sudden you go okay one guy can play as offside maybe Len’s out but maybe CH yeah I to me we talked about it a little bit before the show but the sandine thing last year is a option for me not that they’re going to
Get a first round pick for lilligren but like just trading him for another guy for just a different person you cannot give up a right-handed d right now okay you can’t just Sam’s Point maybe that has massive value well if unless you’ve if you got a couple of
Cards up your sleeve yeah with one or two coming back okay I get it right but what does that mean you’re getting rid of lilligren and you’re inviting Dumba to the party Nick Jensen sure honestly like I just maybe I’m just too close to it and
I watch him every night maybe Dumba and Jensen are worse but guys we’re we’re we’ve been talking about this for we’ve had the same conversation with the same player for four years in a row like look at the names were throwing out I know
Yeah I know but I don’t I I’m just sick of having the conversation all the time yeah I’d rather him just like I don’t want to have the combo every day where I feel like I’m getting this is like a relationship lecture we like we’ talked
About this what are we doing here isn’t there a Seinfeld episode here what are we doing here we’re not men it’s like I I I talk I talk about the leaves 20 hours a week and it’s like four of them it’s like well lillig grin again I’m
Like no can we just how can I have a let’s complain about someone else all right well take a break we’re going to take a break and uh and then we’ll come back JB and you complain more we got thoughts on uh uh tovar’s line oh we had
One on ke on the Bruins PK owning the Leafs we didn’t hey buddy we’re not going anywhere we got time we got time all right more of JB complaining after the break you’re listening and watching real Kipper and borne we’re back real Ki and born on the leaf edition of our show
So where do you want to go JB we got uh we got a few different clips here we just touched on lilligren uh do line or Taris take a pick s positive okay tarz um so last night watching that line I was going to Tweet a half negative
Thing about tarz how he takes the most longdistance unscreened wrist shots in the NHL and it was meant to be critical and then he took an unscreen long distance wrist shot and he ripped it top corner a great shot High blocker Nice Shot very uh Johnny T type goal but I
Love that line still love it still feel very good about it um did last night do anything to change your opinion no uh clearly if there’s going to be any offense there it’s tar shooting the puck I think is everyone just shooting the puck like they’re gonna have to be a
Rebound passing yeah get to the blue paint shoot it to the net listen I I still have some issues overall with the Leafs not pass being a below average passing team I dare anyone to deny that I mean yarn Croc’s a shooter first McMahon’s a shooter first
Tavar is a shooter first Will’s a shooter first Matthew’s a shooter first I mean it’s a long list of guys for andom will pass it they will yeah is that enough no not even close Andi only pass every time he gets it he has to shoot he shocked I F it’s like pulling
Teeth to get him to Sho the and you wish that would kind of rub off on on a few others but just to go back to your question yeah as long as JT has his legs and his energy I I think he can still be very effective yeah it’s
Just there’s some guys that can that are okay still if they lose 5% of their their skating he’s not one of them no and if he can somehow keep his energy going his legs we can tell when JT has fresh legs yeah he’s a much different
Player for sure I I do feel like you know having him farther down the lineup gives you those moments of hey we got one from the bottom six if you want to call his line that like he’ll he’ll be able to provide a spark here and there
Because he can finish right and he gets to the dangerous areas yarn Croc shoots it there McMahon has good speed and all that again I really like the line why don’t we listen do we have something on the tar line here do clip four why don’t
We have a listen of that on on them Bobby had a little bit of a dip in his game but it’s come back up here and Yar Croc has come in fresh and and has given the the group a boost uh and John has just played extremely well I think he’s
Played a a good honest game and and waited for his opportunities but also um really push things on offense it’s good to see him get another goal here tonight but um you know the uh I thought the other night um against New York you know
He he was he gets one that go goes off his body but like that’s the kind of kind of goal that he’s that he earned and his line earned by just being relentless on the puck and there you know I guess if there’s one trait of
That line that you like it’s it’s how Relentless they are U they Hound the puck Ernie hounds the puck John H hounds the puck Bobby McMahon is really doing that well so yeah that to that end you like those elements and again I don’t deny any of that for
Any second but I just saw a Boston Brewing team that shared and passed the puck to each other better than the Leafs and somehow if they can find a way to still hound and shoot at the right time but there’s so many times when even JT and
Austin at times just they shoot just for the sake of shooting like and if if it’s not there hold on to it turn cycle have support keep the play alive not be a oneand done and then it’s out of your Zone it’s you know for me I would rather a team that overshoots
Than overp passes and you know they are the number one team in the NHL at creating goals they’re I think they’re first or maybe they second now in goals four per game like they create a ton of offense doing it that way so I I totally
Know what you’re saying I think if they pass the puck more they could prolong ozone possessions wear down the and have to defend less so right now it feels like it’s like if we take our shot you get yours when it works it’s great but when it doesn’t work it’s a little too
Chance trady I guess it would be the criticism even though it creates a lot of offense but for this line in particular I like the word hounds but but it does it does go into it does paint a picture a little bit of how they’ve been over the last
Few years and that is let’s exchange chances and we like our chances when the night’s over that will just have one or two or three more goals than you yeah they that just I do like it lends to the details on defense for me I I can’t
Believe how much I believe in Bobby McMahon is just a guy though yeah it’s just someone to get in on the for get back as a player on the team yeah like I you know he was a guy that was a healthy scratch and then got into the lineup
Because two guys were sick and he scored a hattrick and he’s just been a NHL contributor ever since can I tell you the funniest thing it’s so weird yeah so my son is seven and not a hockey fan like does not care all that much but he started to watch about halfway through
This season he started to sit with me and watch a bit of the leag game favorite player Bobby McMahon since he’s been watching McMahon all he does is shoot it in the net he’s on the pck this Glenn Anderson droing the shoulder going to the net like who is this guy awesome
Player like yeah I guess I see it if you’ve only watched the last 20 games you think this guy’s an All-Star he’s been very good so no I I I think for me that’s he’s just propelled himself from a bubble guy in the playoffs into a lock
In the lineup for the playoffs so interesting do you guys think Gregor’s been out too long like I know Ryan Reeves has been better but Gregor was a player on this team Here and Now how long has it been since he played two weeks a forgotten guy you know early in
The year with his speed he was getting chances and blowing wide and I I remember I was clamoring to get him a look in the like I think with marar and Matthews I was saying did get it give him a top six go he was really effective
He did get it two weeks a long time to tell a guy sorry we can’t take out Ryan Reeves for a night oh and now now you start reading you you start reading some stuff out there it’s like how do the Leafs make cap space while you wave
Gregor and I’m like wait didn’t didn’t you invest four months into this guy just to say we don’t like him any anymore like he’s 25 or 26 he’s got hundreds of NHL games you guys like if they’re going to wave him and bring in another player who’s better and that’s
Part of it fine like I like him he’s fast but he didn’t score in three calendar months like he’s lost his position to Ryan Reeves and you needed like you needed to discover that now that he wasn’t going to score or come on like that’s what you brought him to score you certainly
Didn’t put him in a position to do it so if you brought him to not score and to do other things I mean he killed and he for checked I just don’t understand the part where you invest all this time and then just come to the conclusion that he
Can’t score so we’re going to get rid of him and we’re going to go to what what do you think’s coming in to replace him you know who how he might get back in uh Keith didn’t like your boy homie last night I don’t think he had a long chat
With him after practice today they they about it um did you want outside of that did you want to talk about the the doy line because yes before we talk about the fourth line more the second line has been a bit of an issue and uh clip 7 he
He talked about it at length today wellow there’s we just think that the the offensive skills of the line the characteristics uh make up a line that can be effective and then it also you know has effects on the rest of the lineup right I mean our ability to to
Have John on a different line uh sets us up well and we’re seeing some of the positive things coming that are coming out of that so it’s all it’s all connected you know um so for those reasons you want to stay with it and and the team has played well and the team
Has had good results so you want to be able to continue to to work with it and let it breathe a little bit but obviously monitoring at the same time we’re not making any changes anytime soon that’s what you got out of that I got out of that we like the third
Line or the other the line we like our Top Line what else do you want us to do with that group basically yeah they’re getting caved in though every single night well again last night yeah I I put the onus on neander to take it up a notch
Here that seems charitable to Max I just think he’s uh well I think overall Max has been really good and I don’t know whether or not you just want to turn him into a selky you know nominee that’s not happening no I but it’s become like an awkward conversation the max DOI thing
Because he is beloved in Toronto not just because of his dad he’s an awesome personality like his Twitter videos he’s played well he makes he’s exciting he scores that winner on his birthday like he’s a part of this and people love him I thought you didn’t care about birthday
Stuff douche um and so there’s a lot of reasons that everyone wants it to work and I include myself in that I want it to work it’s a little like the lilligren thing for me though where it’s like it doesn’t work it it hasn’t you know 10
Straight games when his line is on the ice the other team gets more chances than the Leafs do you know I I don’t know how many points he has this year and find that out pretty quick but it’s not a ton right 30 it’s it’s I think
More than that is it whatever um but yeah so some offense but not a ton and then to balance that out yeah he’s at 31 points seven goals okay I know he’s not on the power play so that definitely has some effect on it but I don’t think he
Skates a ton he is fast but I don’t think he skates a ton well he’s faster than JT he’s very fast but he doesn’t skate until it’s like time to go it’s not a lot of stops and starts I’m not trying to turn him into a sky guy I just
Don’t know so what is is the answer at the trade deadline to bring somebody else in and then what have him more of of a a utility guy that can move up and down yeah the lineup I I still like him on the I would like him
To play with the best players like to me if you’re going to put him somewhere for the playoffs you put him in n’s spot well I think you can’t go 82 games without giving him a look with Marr and Matthews he’s one of the only guys who thinks the game offensively at that
Elite level and has the hands to to set them up and make plays has been better n n has been better but it’s still a big ask for it’s crazy he gets no points there a college guys coming in and ends up your number one left Winger to try to
Contend for Stanley Cup yeah I get it if you want to show him give him some sample sizes of uh what you can be one day but it’s just it’s just too big of an ask for for n and so like I want to be clear that I think DOI is a good
Player and I think they should use him in that spot and just see if that’s the spot for him I’d like to see him with Matthews and Marner let’s just see you know Matthews blocks more shots than anyone in the NHL Marner gets s can
Defend he’s not he’s not a big body and he cannot uh do what n does with uh some work on the walls that’s fair right it’s just going to be a different look it is a different look and then you can move ni down and he can help out in the
Lineup somewhere else if you bring in another Center I I don’t know you’re not spending Do’s money any better than Max doy like he has a has value I I don’t know I struggle to see where he should go and I I yeah I don’t know and him and
Willie do bring out the worst in each other on the line it just feels like they both I mean he got benched for it on Saturday just a lot of flying and by and then standing still took the wrong guy last night on a goal against again
So to your point but Willie I I just I I think he’s got a yeah he’s got to work harder and he’s got to work smarter and he’s got to show that him and pastx should be equal last night right I just making more money
Than you I should be as good or better he’s next here right like he is a 50 plus goal scorer who last night led the the game with a with vision and passing I I didn’t want to do this today yeah you did no I didn’t okay I mentioned
That I didn’t want to do it but you brought it up and I I it’s like will he make Tak more than past eh yes yeah yeah and it’s it’s it’s upon you every night you go up against a guy like that you you got to you got to be
Insecure insecure I like that in feeling like I have to measure I have to prove right that’s the one time that you need to be insecure that I can’t have people thinking I’m not as good as him so I’m going to outplay tonight I’m going to outwork them I’m going to
Just do everything I can and last night was a missed opportunity now here’s the good news Willie you get another crack at it Thursday night in a tougher environment have the us against the world nobody loves me nobody thinks I’m as good as Pastor knck I’m going to go in there and
I’m going to show them the question is does he play hard enough on Wednesday to be in the lineup Thursday a huge Trap game right there’s never been a bigger look lost to the Bruins they’re on your mind we get them again later this week this is division
If we win that we and then Buffalo had great success against the Sabers I don’t think they lost 93 last game did they was it 93 the was that bad it was N3 I think we worked the game the sa might win by another touchdown it was 93 um well the
Good news is you’re you’re working Wednesday night it’s our Wednesday night uh Scotia Bank game of the week and going to be on the panel so you’ll you’ll tell us I’ll be paying close attention boys I’ll have all the answers for you I uh yeah speaking of the
Division oh well I just go ahead could I just mention that uh simmer said something last night that really jumped out to me about how Pastak is the only guy that kind of reminds him of COV on the power play I thought that was really well said just the way he rolls the
Wrists and it looks like he’s going to shoot but he passes and he passes he looks like he’s going to shoot like it just so Elite he rolls the wrists like like uh yeah there’s no tell there’s no tell there’s absolutely no tell you know Marner might be the best passer in in
The league or one of them Matthews is is the best shooter in the league but COV and pass here’s the problem is that Marner’s predictability is and Matthews is far higher than pastx and can do both so it’s easier to Game Plan against the Leafs because you’re like I’ll tell you what he’s going to do and I’ll tell you what he’s going to do cooch and pasta I
Got no idea no idea so you know we’re talking about the least power play which is again one of the best in the NHL like second in the league or something they’re very very good but you know when you’re against the best PKS in the league deception is valuable um yeah the
Division yes so last night the Leafs lose Boston wins Florida gets another win you know like they Florida beat uh the Rangers oh and home ICE you see that barkov go oh assist that’s one of the nicest hockey highlights I’ve ever seen I I don’t think I’ve I’ve seen a a better uh
Effort on a pass in my touch to get it back to his own forehand to make the passes the touch for me not even the hacky sack one yeah I wonder why Reinhardt scored so much know Reinhard I could tap that baby in yeah huberto is watching Reinhardt going I remember the
Days like that’s when you play in Florida you don’t get recognized as one of the best centerman in the league no and how are we not talking about barov as being just but no we do this the best we do this the best 200 foot guy in the
League he’s been the proverbial most underated guy in the league for 10 years he’s not underrated he’s properly underrated everybody says he’s great he’s great no because he plays for the Panthers than but he I think every hockey fan if you’re like hey Sasha barov really good they’d be like who is
That that I’ve never heard of him it’s not like that he’s not underrated he’s properly rated everyone thinks he’s Elite yeah sh shout out books for that draft yes absolutely is anybody going to stop Florida like what do you I don’t know they’re pretty damn good man they’re good they’re really good like
They something has you need injuries you need Bob to be every team in the East needs Florida to get hurt yeah why don’t we I don’t know how else they stop forget it how else did you stop the Florida Panthers I don’t know just let Nick cousins take 300 penalties or
Something see him again last night this guy ends up in the ice every game flopping around stall Handles in his jersey to pick him up every day you know what they they keep winning they don’t mind helping coming in to help them or defend them they’re just a tight team
Who scored the OT winner against the Leafs last year I didn’t I didn’t notice was it cousins no comments or questions at this time oh all right all right it’s a quick hour we done already we don’t even have a guest to thank in that hour that’s how much we had to talk
About who do we have to talk Lots about Brian lot former NHL player agent gentle manager done it all trade deadline coming up we’ll get into what he expects between Friday all right take a quick break go get a drink grab a towel wipe off and we’re
Back welcome in to our national edition of real Kipper and born the Kipper’s Justin Bor Sammy mcke for the next hour in a couple of minutes we’ll welcome in Brian lton former NHL general manager executive broadcaster agent he’s done a ton and as a reminder this hour
Of real Kipper and borne is brought to you by bet 365 all right between now and I guess 3 pm on Friday 70 hours from now and a reminder that sportsnet’s going to be all over the coverage uh starting 10 P 10:00 a.m. eastern they’re going to let us do coum
I think we’re going to do a hit obviously uh on Friday as well and then just note on Friday we will be on our show but push back listen close here one hour yes so instead of four 4 to six p.m. Eastern we will be 5 to 7 p.m.
Eastern we have time for all the trades to come in to do our research and give you the takest of takes okay let me get uh your Vibe at least going into this Tuesday on this week CU for me and I’ve done a lot of these it’s really quiet except for this one
Tweet this one tweet not quiet Chris Johnson tweeted see with the Canucks believed to be among those pursuing Jake gensel word is they’ve had discussions about potentially flipping Elias Lindholm to the Bruins as part of the matchin naations to make it happen nothing Concrete in place at this time
Still lots of moving Parts oh my God yeah the Bruins have added a different lindol before and that went very well for them in Old hampus so what is the signing of uh Pon do for the future of Lind Hol oh so do you think it was like he was
Like the the pon insurance now they got the pon they don’t need the insurance policy anymore correct oh wow we just that was yeah that’s interesting so and listen they they got an asset they got a a nice asset out of lindol but where’s the money to sign him yeah
So you got to pay other guys on the team right yes so coming up do you now you flip them again wow and create something or do you you want to take him into the the playoffs and just rent them rent them oh boy no I mean that is no does
That make sense to you guys it does make sense to me but to me the Vancouver Canucks are trying to win the Stanley Cup here M do they think gensel is more valuable to them than Lind Holm which I guess to me he’s a Winger who scores
Goals like Lind holm’s like a two-way defensive PK you you were saying Kip that like maybe he hasn’t been quite as they hoped not to put words in your mouth but I think VI I’m not sure they’re they’re convinced on him being there long term right
So I’ve talked to a couple of different peoples and people uh and and sometimes the sense is with lindol the the work ethic isn’t there all the time so I I don’t know where they they stand on lindol they love him or or did they just use him as a as an
Asset and now I wonder you know for that to make sense for Pittsburgh what has to go from Boston to Pittsburgh presumably since Boston’s trying to win a cup it’s no one off their roster it’s likely Picks and Prospects yeah they I I think that they’d also like something off their roster
Now I don’t think Jake de Brusque is long for the Boston Bruins but they’re also in a predicament as well much like lose him for nothing if you don’t lose him for nothing it’s never been a a great marriage no it hasn’t but we watched Jake debrus look like a very good hockey
Player last night against the Toronto Maple Leafs Bo he shot that he shot that puck into the spot he was good last night yeah but with Jake Boston’s biggest complaint is you’re not sure when you’re going to get the good Jake so I don’t know do you if if you’re
Boston and you envision something going on with Vancouver and Pittsburgh does Boston move de Brusque and de Brusque walks into a new contract with Pittsburgh and instead of playing paying gel nine or10 million you pay Jake de Brusque six six five and a half is he who’ you rather have debrus or
Bruzi I mean probably bruzi but I I get your point that they’re in a when they’re on when those guys are on that’s the going rate for brusis and and Jake debrus is probably five and a half $6 million uh whatever it is it’s going to
Be a fraction of the cost of of signing gel if you’re Sydney Crosby and you’re like oh sick we got slightly worse like you know like someone did tweet I think it was a Dupont or someone tweeted but you’re also that this what makes it
Happy to get gel to get gel it’s going to take a a roster player uh probably a Blue Chip Prospect and a first rounder a roster player a blue chip Prospect and a first rounder that’s if if I guess debrus ends up signing somewhere yeah if it’s a rental it’s
Hard to get three pieces off of a rental didn’t realize dbras is only 27 debras is going to sign six years minimum think so yeah boy he’s only got 30 points this year yeah I mean he had 50 last year or 27 goals so yeah he’s on behalf of Leaf’s Nation
Just don’t do that don’t do any of don’t give Lind Holm to the Bruins because I feel like that’d be a really good fit there I do there it would be a good fit for Boston for sure but that this is the big price that would come with an
Extension for sure right like if they traded for Elias Lindholm he’d be locked up I don’t I I I don’t know how you would uh trade for L home first and and and still see him walk out the door yeah but it seems like gensel would be more
Of a pure rental doesn’t sound like anyone is talking extensions even the Canucks with gensel if Vancouver’s trading for gel I I don’t see it as a rental you don’t eh I I don’t I I I don’t think so okay and I don’t with all due respect to the
Amazing season they have you got to be you got to be careful of of overplaying your hand I well and just as you’re sort of turning the corner now you don’t want to yeah go all in and find out you don’t have the guys you like or whatever and
You and it cost you a first rounder and it cost you uh a nice Prospect I I think in all honesty I think the price would be too expensive for Vancouver and I did have a couple of Rumblings that van is is is cool on gensel it got last I heard
It got too expensive for Vancouver gel all right let’s bring in Brian lton former NHL player agent general manager done it all Lots how are you man thanks for joining us doing fantastic thank you and uh this is where you find out where people are really at in the negotiations as I was
Listening to you talk about gansel you find out what people really willing to do has Kyle dubis officially moved on from Jake gensel as he committed to trading him and if he is is he willing to drop his price significantly uh it’ll be really fun to watch how that one
Plays out so funny you should say that because we do know that there were some attempts to sign gensel again so there there is some of what Kyle dubis is doing that lends the suggestion that I still gota sell tickets slots I still got to sell hope and I still got
Cydney Crosby oh by the way still scoring 80 and 90 points so Sid’s not going anywhere anytime soon the way I see it in a perfect world he wants to go the Mario Lemieux Way start with one team end my career with one team but he may still be around for
Three or four more years wouldn’t it be in the interest of Kyle dubis to go and revisit signing Jake gensel I I definitely think it would but I felt like the die was cast when they went out and got Eric Carlson that just you know when that when that move was
Made I felt like there’s no way that Jake would continue on I know Jake he’s a great kid I’ve never asked him about his situation um but I you know I know he loved playing there I also know this is his last chance at his age to really
Ring the bell hard and I don’t think Pittsburgh can do that so now you’re in a position where you’re asking him to take a discount but the player knows this is his last kick at the can the team hasn’t you know won a playoff round in a while and they’re aging and you
Just can easily see how he would end up playing somewhere else for more money and maybe in a better situation yeah that’s you know it’s the confounding thing about this Penguins team they had the fifth best goal ending in the NHL this season by just by save percentage Crosby’s been excellent
They’ve gotten production from most of their guys on contracts and they’re currently 10 points out of a playoff spot in early March like if you’re Sid and looking at this there has to be some sort of like there’s bigger questions here you wonder would they do something
Bigger whether it be with malan or carl center at some point in this offseason would they try to just start over around Sid without some of those guys yeah would they I don’t think so I don’t see it it’s hard because of a lot of the restrictions should they ABS freak
Lutely yeah 100% they should this is the toughest thing to do though of gny malin’s been a great player for him has a played well this year obviously not to the level that they needed him to play to execute on not turning the page on keeping the gang together and going for
It but uh and they still could make it you can’t write them off but it seems more and more remote every day to be honest with you and and again it’s very hard to move on to from guys that have given you such great service in their
Careers been a great player like Malin has for them but the reality is this is one of the spots where you can really get burned and for a new guy and Kyle coming in uh he went all in on Eric Carlson it just hasn’t worked uh top of the
Uh our boy Sammy here uh mentioned a a a tweet by CJ about uh the thought of flipping Lind Holm in Vancouver does that coincide with the fact that they got Patterson’s contract done what do you what were your initial thoughts of the contract and what about the fact
That uh Lind holm’s going to be a UFA and can Vancouver use that towards Friday’s deadline certainly possible with Jimmy everybody knows that uh I’m told that they’ve had discussions in Vancouver to to try to extend them it didn’t go very far and um it’s well with within your right if you
Pick up a guy and you talk to them and you know what’s missing in in that analysis is what their analysis has been or has been of ly Holm in Vancouver uh maybe they’re not lukewarm on them the team has not won the way they were prior to his arrival that
Doesn’t mean it’s his fault it could just be a run that every team is going through where they don’t have that sustained Excellence The Way Vancouver has had certainly prior to LY holm’s arrival there so uh with Jimmy Rutherford I wouldn’t write it off does that mean that you could maybe flip him
And get Jake gensel I don’t think that necessarily would line up but the but the concept of the most active team in the National Hockey League in the next in the last 14 months who have been to Vancouver Canucks doing it again would not surprise me lot how much do
Relationships play a part in what happens at the deadline I asked this because it seems like every trade now takes double retention right where you okay we got to incorporate this team and that team you have to have a lot of relationships we’ve talked on this show
In the Leafs where it’s like doesn’t seem like the Flames want to deal with Brad tree living probably Kyle dubis doesn’t really want to deal with the Leafs feels like lul larell doesn’t want to deal with the Leafs you know like but I imagine with every GM and every team
There are these relationships of not necessarily burnt Bridges but fractured relationships so I guess is that a big part of being a GM is just like managing to not burn Bridges so you can use as many teams as possible uh yes it is quite frankly and there’s a couple events every year where
You know you get together with these guys and at least for me when when I was in Tampa it was very important to get out particularly with guys that I didn’t know as well and just have dinner with them one night you know um I had a lot
Of uh I would say strange but I can remember going out to dinner with jacqu marttin who I didn’t know well at that time France jagar another guy I would purposely try to go out of my way just to try to get to know people because relationships are so critical in the end
To getting things done now what happened with the Leafs Carolina uh you know with salary retention recently in deals like Carolina is a very Financial team they ended up picking up a small point of this particular deal where they paid about a hundred I looked
At the math one day I think it was about $170,000 they picked up a fifth round pick that’s just something that’s part of being a GM now and in Carolina’s case I always feel like they’re a little bit agnostic they’re kind of Switzerland if they think it makes sense they’ll do it
They don’t really care whereas other GMS you can see in their DNA you could look at say St Louis in Detroit for some of the de deals they’ve had going on recently with you know a newer GM obviously and Steve he’s not brand new but younger so to speak to a
Guy like Doug Armstrong but they have a strong relationship through their connection particularly with Hockey Canada so yes it absolutely matters lot you were in Tampa not a huge media Market but how much does the media play in in in the week going into uh trade
Deadline or at any point really to like how much stuff is just thrown out there just to get the temperature I think it’s kind of like uh living in LA and living in Anaheim one is Mars and the other is Venus that’s that’s that’s how much markets play into
It in Tampa you know there isn’t much of a market in terms of how the media is influencing things whereas in Toronto where you guys are of course or Edmonton or Vancouver you know or some American cities it’s not particularly heavy here in Minnesota which is considered a real
Strong US market uh it’s really just Canada that’s bat you know what crazy for what goes on because there’re so involved and uh you know quite frankly I always thought that looked fun I know berky always got a kick out of it uh but it’s not for everybody you know some
Guys would rather go the route of less is more but it clearly does heighten everything that’s going on and uh it it’s noticeable because I’ve talked to GMS about it and I’ve heard many comments about it some guys embrace it some guys hate it oh and some of them
Will say if this gets out it’s it’s over it’s not happening yeah yeah that’s right the David this year yeah yeah you always kind of have that threat but uh I I don’t know if that’s real you want people to respect um what’s going on it’s really
It it’s not necessarily done because you don’t want it to get out there in terms of media or stuff like that you just you just you’re moving no no matter what you say Kipper and you and I accepted this as players you get traded you move I got
Traded on the morning of the 26th I was supposed to be playing a night game for the Rangers and I ended up excuse me an afternoon game for the Rangers and I I ended up playing a night game for the Harford Whalers it’s just part of the
Business and I think GMS are conscious of that that that it is still people and it does matter and those are the reasons why people want privacy you have other guys like Lou that just wants privacy because he just wants privacy there’s nothing wrong with that but everybody
Has their own style on that Cliff Cliff Fletcher was famous for uh his lack of privacy a lot of things at times but that that worked well for him he rolled with that and took advantage of it I’d hearder stories where he’d like lean out into the office with like all the sales
People and everyone be like do we want to do Gilmore for whoever you know like is that true uh I’m certain that the legend would have grown bigger but there are a lot of stories like that yeah of of lots of guys throughout history who are kind
Of known for that that um you know literally whether they were GM or even other roles at times might step out of a meeting and then all of a sudden something that was being discussed in a meeting was showing up uh on the television screens because everybody is
Trying to get information on trade deadline day like you can’t believe I’ve seen it from all sides as a player agent in the media and as a general manager and uh everybody’s essentially trying to do the same thing you’re flying a lot more blind than you would like
Particularly the teams you know that really run their hockey operation departments very small it’s just hard to know all when you’re in that position and things tend to really become laser focused we’re talking to Brian Lon former NHL player agent general manager uh when uh some talk about hanifen and the
Tampa Bay Lightning it it’s to the point where I I’m hearing Rumblings that they’ve they may have a contract extension already in place it’s just a matter of whether Tampa Bay and Calgary can come to a an agreement on the actual uh trade uh does that make sense to you
For Tampa Bay hanifen um not totally out of the question obviously the Tampa Bay Lightning have no right to talk to Noah Hanah fin or as Representatives without consent from Calgary that can be done though you know it’s in your best interest if you know you’re going to trade Somebody Like We
Believe Calgary is with hanifen to go out and find somebody that can extend him because in theory you should get paid more for it rather than selling this particular player as a rental you’re selling him as somebody that might be with the lightning for a lot of
Years um but I haven’t been able to validate that story the way that it’s making the rounds right now so I’m not saying it’s not true but I’m saying that I have not got any confirmation or validation that that a potential extension is in place did you like seems to
Meely what’s that do you like him to replace sergachev who’s been lost for the season I think Noah henin’s had an excellent year and I think someone’s going to be really fortunate that that gets them I think it’s tough for Calgary they’re you know they’re coming off back-to-back
Years where American players have pretty much made it known that they’re not going to sign an extension there you know first Matthew kachuk obviously and now Noah Hanahan um you know so that’s a tough situation to deal with but uh I do like hannahan I do think he’d play
Really well there I don’t see it as likely that they have the pieces or assets that they’re able to part with to fulfill Calgary’s needs but maybe they’re stretching themselves we’ve seen that in the past with Tampa we saw what they did with Jano they took a swing
Some people would say it was a gallant effort other people would say it hasn’t worked out very well that’s the nature of every time you step up to the plate you’re going to be judged but I do love that people like uh the job that Julian breea has done in
Tampa in terms of not being afraid to actually do things because it was very frustrating as a GM you know when you make good offers that should be hit but they weren’t because they weren’t great offers and people were afraid to make deals yeah yeah that is a does seem to
Really hold things up you know right now if you look at the NHL standings you know we had Lou Laro today come out and say that they’re definitely knock going to sell and that they’ll likely buy I think maybe their 18th 19th or 20th on the NHL somewhere around there right now
Every team above that is kind of the same right every team their fan base expects them to add it’s a lot of teams so how do you feel about GMS going all in when you’re one of 20 teams going Allin I know darl mury said that if you
Have a 5% chance to win a championship you should go all in how does it feel this year for you for a lot of these teams even lower down the standings I don’t believe if you have a 5% chance you should go all in every
Year yeah I mean to be honest with no to be honest with you your percentages aren’t that far off I’m taking it more metaphorically to mean you have a very low chance but you know what people just don’t understand the odds of what your chances are to win there’s 16 teams you
Could start from there it’s not basketball nobody is a 45 it’s a 60% chance to win right so I’m probably taking that too rough but my point is you shouldn’t go all in if you’re seventh or eighth you know trying to get into the playoffs in your conference
Yeah it doesn’t mean you can’t do some things and if they make sense long term yes but to go all in means you’re willing to empty empty the guns so to speak the Edmonton Oilers they should go all in they may not be as high as they
Think but when you look look at their team you can come to the analysis that they are on the precipice of being the next great team in the league yeah and they are also fighting to try to keep you know their star players who are
Expiring in a you know a couple of years between dry Sidle and McDavid so you know there’s a lot of battle going on there there’s a lot of reasons why you do it but in general no um Florida was an interesting example last year because
You know they were all in they were all committed it ended up working out for them in the end and they’ve gone on and proven that they really have an exceptional team but I’d say that’s more unusual than than usual but it’s a great job by the management in Florida for
Believing in what they had and backing it up and recognizing it and never wavering because it’s hard to do those things um you know particularly when you’re in a Canadian Market as we talked about because there’s so much scrutiny on you in these positions Lots it’s almost as if everybody wanted tan of
Edmonton Vancouver Toronto uh and then after tan of went to Dallas I I believe that there was a a certain window where the general managers just looked at their respective scouts or people around them and said okay what’s Plan B what what would plan B for you be an Edmonton uh
To obviously they’re going to have to move out some money May maybe it’s Cody CC but they want to upgrade like who give me a name give me something that we haven’t thought of or maybe there just isn’t anyone out there yeah I mean well first of all you
Gota look at your own roster in in Edmonton’s case yes Cody CCE I think he’s making three and a quarter he’s in your top four he’s probably the least efficient piece of their top four the money’s not great uh in terms of super expensive but at the same time it’s a
It’s an area You’ look at and say I want to upgrade that you could say that maybe with Brett kulak who really plays in that third pair he’s making 275 got some term left you know you’re just G to go through your roster fogal a UFA this
Year you’re gonna look at those pieces and you’re GNA say what flexibility do I have first then you’re going to flip the script and say okay and I’ll just make something up with Edmonton so uh Leon drite a lot of times has has not you
Know hit his stride the way he has in the past he’s played less with Conor McDavid even though he’s been playing with him recently but maybe we need a Jake gensel we need one more guy that we can pair with him and then we can have
Two Dynamic lines one of course led by McDavid and the other by dry cdle we don’t have to play him together even though we have other good players Ryan Nan Hopkins uh Zack Heyman you know you can look at the different pieces but uh
You you could end up on we need one more good forward you go out and you say what will it take for me to get Jake gensel and I really can’t deplete my top four by moving Cody CCE unless I have a replacement for him so he’s out so can I
Put a package together am I willing to pay somebody else like Toronto was to get leushin in which was a low deal but are you willing to go that route there’s just so much that goes into it this is why you know in today’s world you can’t just have one guy running hockey
Operations or two you need a true deep staff that can evaluate all these opportunities and come up with the right answers I happen to think Florida is doing it as well or better than anybody else right now in terms of how they’re utilizing their staff and the results
Are great in Edmonton’s case it would behoove them to use everybody in the organization and come up with what they think is the best path forward I don’t think adding another forward is what they need I actually think they need to add another top D in order for them to
Rise up and become the Stanley Cup champion so all those all those people in the office in Florida helped barkov set up uh Reinhardt for the assist of the decade I I wouldn’t say that but they help the general manager to figure out that we should go out and get Sam
Reinhardt oh boy you know what Sam Sam Bennett Sam Bennett would be a really great fit for this club or how about if we pick up forsling offer waivers he might be good and hey what do you guys think of Brandon mour if you really look at the deals that Florida
Made it’s pretty impressive Kipper I I to them but it makes the difference for sure’s that Lots great stuff as always man thanks my pleasure guys always happy to uh jump on and we’ll see what happens this will really interesting yeah thanks lot appreciate your time Brian lton
Former NHL player agent general manager he he’s lived it all GQ model yeah yeah he’s got it going right now I was just looking at the trade for Sam Reinhardt yeah because I don’t I didn’t remember what it was Buffalo yeah Buffalo uh Devin Levi and a first round
Pick for uh and they took in the 2022 draft Yuri kulich who has played one NHL game working out well for Florida 19 years old though so Brad tree living couldn’t get a first rounder for Sam Bennett yeah what did Florida pay two seconds yeah Kipper you you’ve taken you
Know a lot of heat for the neander thing and we’ve talked about it before in the show and people love to throw that but they don’t like to talk about the other one where you’re like they should trade Nick Robertson for Sam Bennett and everyone’s like no are you crazy it’s
Like I know God that it wasn’t in a graphic board so we can’t get it twet 300 people people love the the the Willie neand love that one the Willie neander was before he played one game yes he sat out and at the time Nick Richie was a top 10 pick and and
And supposed to be uh the next Milan Lich Y and Brandon Montour has gone on to last year he was top 10 in NHL ice time and effect you know anyway yeah but I just think that that other one would have been really good if to Le have done
That yeah would liked that for Bennett would have been mon is one hell of a defenseman summer yeah gonna pay him he’s a free agent this summer yeah yeah that’d be a good one he is absolutely like running the show back there for the Florida Panthers and he’s a gamer and
They they seem to love him like they just I they I guess they just love each other regardless they just seem like such a together group he scored the first goal on Sunday against the Red Wings big Sally they’re all jumping on them they love them it’s just like right
It is interesting to hear uh Brian lton explain like the makeup of Florida and how they picked up all these guys and what contributors they are now and they were just like afterthoughts y I mean in that KCK trade was pretty good pretty darn good I gotta tell you though like
You know in terms of activity I I like these teams that are like let’s get aggressive let’s try to find some way to get better Jim Rutherford uh Nick alberga had tweeted that since he’s been in Vancouver uh he was there I think it was it in 2021 December 2021 he’s made
20 trades already oh my God it’s been like two and a half years me 20 trades that’s a crazy number you know and it’s like then all the the Canucks are in first they’re they’re aggressive you know all these Meek and Mild GMS that don’t want to lose their job for making
Moves like hey get out crit he’s a vet he is he ain’t afraid Not Afraid takes the bat off his shoulder listen I mean they kind of held the feet to the fire of their Allstar Center who they were like you know what we’ll trade you yeah Pon was like halfway at the
Door like here’s a huge Hometown discount it kind of worked it did work opposite of Kyle dubis opposite what do you want what do you want I really hope Kyle’s family doesn’t listen to the show all right hope they don’t have cable let’s go to break a new game time
When we come back you heard the man more from real Kipper and borne after these words can we start this segment am I interrupting you guys we had so many tweets about how great Lon is it did all right uh I got a text from hakes you got a
Tweet yeah bini uh when are we get in Sammy mck possible trade scenario love the segment last year so uh starting tomorrow you got to give us trade scenarios three fake trades I think okay no problem TR can’t wait Leafs or everything um we’ll do in the leaf hour
There are 31 other teams in the league besides the Toronto map Le you want me to do a couple in the Leafs hour and then a national hour one something ridiculous like gensel for Lind what if this happens like tonight then my whole homework screwed Dave bini yeah great
Guy good homework assignment there he plays he plays Nat on Thursday mornings with me and I’ve never get the invite I’m going to beat him like a rented mule a few times just a follow up some some names out there I mean we did mention hannahan uh and the Rumblings about Tampa
Bay trying to get a deal done with him the one thing again the prices obviously changes if if he can get an extension it’s it’s a different price for a rental than it is a guy going and and and signing right away so that’s that’s probably where
Calgary is just trying to max out if anything happens with Tampa Bay it’s come on do you have any thoughts about Calgary and teams in general facilitating trades for guys to go where they want to go you know like it sounds like he wants to go to Florida well in
Many ways he’s he’s in the driver’s seat because the value changes if he decides to sign so he’s dictating yeah and the one thing I guarantee you that if he signs with Tampa it won’t look or sound anything close to what Calgary had offered and
That is based on cost of living and no state tax so the number we had heard in Calgary that he turned down was 7.5 million I don’t think I don’t even think it starts with a seven if Tampa resigns him wow um let’s do Game Time quickly
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1000th NHL hockey game tonight hey congrats to him yeah thousand games I was just going to go to find a jvr goal tonight uh as I’m trying to pull it up here quickly a jvr goal on his what do they call the thousandth game is there
Like a a name for it just other than a thousandth game Centennial okay anyways if that would be news to me I thought there was like a name definitely a word for it it’s called 1000th okay think this yeah word okay uh he is plus 320 for a goal tonight in his
Thousandth game give me a shot on that one uh maybe a little flare for the dramatic okay how many do he have this year 11 12 yeah he’s got a few this year 14 the other one I’m looking at here this is I mean second straight night of
Me giving a pick potentially against the Florida Panthers which it’s just really not a great way to make money this year in the NHL but they’re on the second half of back toback going into New Jersey who just fired their head coach looking for a little bit of the dead cat
Bounce is that the saying it is bad say but it’s the cats they’re playing against so maybe a little bit of you know bounce so give me New Jersey Devils at plus 110 on home ICE tonight to get a win over the Florida Panthers are on the
Second half of back toback I know boury likes his beloved Penguins uh on home ICE minus a goal and a half maybe at plus 105 or in regulation so I know you like that one I do and uh the Nashville Predators who B uh K would you believe me if I
Told you that they won eight in a row eight they’ve won eight in a row I know stunning they are on home ICE they’re on home ICE night against against the lowly Montreal Canadians give me the smoking hot Nashville Predators minus a goal and
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Ordinary at bet 365 must be 19 plus on T only please play responsibly we’ve mentioned this name I think a week or two weeks ago when it comes to Carolina and that’s Brett pesy like and we just we had talked to Brian lton at the top and like they are a
Truly Financial team right so do they Invision renting themselves this guy it doesn’t appear like they made any traction on an extension and I know we mentioned Colton Paro potentially being out there Brett peshi right-handed shot right right-handed D shot yeah he is I mean listen pes’s 29 63 205 right shot you
Know he’s 30 points a year that would be like a Hanah fin you’re I think you’re trading him and I I’ll throw the Toronto Maple Leafs out there you’d be trading him to to resign yeah they want Timothy lilligren like you know what I’m saying but like you’re right Carolina doesn’t
Tend to lose assets for nothing um it will be fascinating to see what happens there because they are very much one of the teams in contention for the Stanley Cup you know they Freddy Anderson comes back and all a sudden they get some good goal tending it’s they’ve got enough
Talent on that team it’d be shocking to see them do what St Louis did with Stasney and shaton Kirk and just move on from a guy in the midst of a of a playoff year so I don’t know what that means they would want to play her back
Presumably yeah all right you think he he’ll get traded or you just an eye on that s uh he’s just a name that intrigues me out there I I like Carolina’s a tricky team to read because they they’re one of those teams where you know they’re in the second tier do
You have them up there with I don’t know I mean outside of is is this is this the widest open Stanley Cup in in quite some time here can you you pick three teams that are Stanley Cup favorites and then work yourself into 10 of them being on
The outside looking in no this is the first year I look at it and I think there’s a top tier of one team Florida and then there’s Florida’s that much above everybody else to me there a separate tier from the next Group which is 10 teams big we we we can have uh
Vegas in that conversation then we cannot have Vegas in that conversation and lately we don’t have Vegas in that conversation because there’s been a fall a little bit yeah sorry they have like a 589 points percentage this year they’ve lost three in a row they’re 14th in the
NHL like yeah I get your point they get healthy comes back trade Columbus last night yeah I mean it’s tough for me to say look out you know the Jets are the second best team in the league by points percentage they wi to pay Jets I mean
They’re good good team but you don’t really you’re not like oh they’re one of the favorites to win the Stanley Cup no I mean they have Conor heluk who’s a top you know so doesn’t this make Friday’s deadline that much more intriguing that that teams are kind of thinking your way
Is like okay Florida I get it they they look unbeatable right now but outside of Florida maybe it’s a key injury maybe they get cold at the right time let everybody go back to bra Broski can he really do it that’s kind of where I’m stuck like is he really that good now
He’s going to win them the Stanley Cup I don’t I never bet on that guy right that’s what people are saying it’s funny uh bagr was on Twitter yesterday making the case for boski for the Hall of Fame and I was like what the Hall of Fame but
You’ll look at it and it’s like 400 plus wins two vzna trophies you know he’s hot again like for his zillionth for straight year here take take Florida the Stanley Cup Final or win the Stanley Cup and yeah he’s in you know what I mean yeah it’s like he’s a sneaky guy that
You’re like he’s actually had quite the career and to bet on him to fall off but look at the teams now outside of Florida that you go like don’t think about us you know as think give me a reason why we can’t win it this here Bruins Rangers Canucks
Dallas Stars Edmonton Oilers Carolina leaf leaf sure Jets you know Vegas it’s a long list in the next year so yeah yeah that’s why I was asking Lots like how do you feel about teams getting aggressive when you’re not Head and Shoulders above 10 other teams you’re in
The mix with them but it is it’s it’s level it’s weird it is weird Tampa Bay is not even in that group like you know I’m curious to see what what they do if Tampa is is as inconsistent as they are and not really being comfortable with
Vasileski being all the way back at after his surgery you still I’m not dumb enough to completely write them off Braden Point Steven stampco Nikita COV Victor Hedman vasileski Anthony Celli you know go through the list Hegel Nick Paul they have so many good players oh my gosh so
Many good players on that they if they somehow found their way into a conference final or Stanley Cup Final would you be no that shocked you’d be like I can totally see it no I wouldn’t yeah I mean turn act so good you name John Cooper Cooper you get Hanahan you
Guys wouldn’t be shocked if they went to the final this year would not be shocked crazy you would be shocked I’d be surprised everyone everyone be like levels of surprise like their blue line outside of those guys you name it’s like you know a lot of radish and Han help
Hanan if all a sudden you’re headman hannahan chernack and Hayden flurry you’re likey there four always gets hurt though he finds a way to always get hurt he got murdered last year Bunton kicks out his it’s really hard to you know he kicked out his brain through his years
It was a brutal hit yeah it was bad I’m wondering what the Washington Capitals are going to do here uh and the word we didn’t even talk about this the other day but ketov just the the guy went from easily could have won the con Smite the
Year they won the Stanley Cup and went to O SC he maybe scored the biggest goal in their franchis history breakway goal off the oie path the over the overtime winner against Pittsburgh slid at five hole Matt Murray game six that’s probably one of the biggest goals ever
Had beat slay their dragon what a falloff crazy I mean you know he’s struggled yes he struggled personally um and is in such an interesting place now that he seems to be through the program he’s at this part of the program where he’s allowed to practice they put him on
Waivers and he had a remarkably positive um interview and debut with the uh Hershey Bears of the American Hockey League he’s gonna he’s always been an very interesting guy like in terms of an interview like he he’ll give you he’ll give you stuff he is an interesting guy
Uh they are kicking tires on CH caps are yes poor CH just like what am I do he’s bouncing around from bad team to bad like they they need defense and it’s it’s one of those markets where they can’t be like Chicago for the next three
Or four years years no no they need to actually like be competitive yes see I don’t hate teams trading for a guy that they see as a part of their future now even if it’s not for a playoff run which is why markstrom to New Jersey made
Sense two weeks ago and it makes sense today you know I I don’t have any problem with guys you know the way that uh Heron went to Vancouver and then it’s time to get settled and all of a sudden he’s a valuable player so I they need defense there how’s sandine working out
I thought he’d be great I don’t know he’s exactly the guy that left the Toronto M Poli I’m told yeah he had three goals and 12 assists in 19 games of the Caps last year he has three goals and 17 assists in 52 games of the Caps they they uh they’re shopping for
Defenseman and if they don’t get it at the trade deadline moving forward they’ll they’ll go and sign one of those guys in the summer what’s crazy I hear yeah you could look back on that trade that dubis made because they got the first round pick that was Boston’s first
Round pick and Eric gustofson and they took East and C with that pick they cow and Guston sand Dub’s greatest trade yeah as a least general manager and he was not even he didn’t even make the pick yeah he needs he he needed three more of those
Just to even it up yeah I agree no no I couldn’t agree more I like his trade record what I do you’re nuts not doing a debate on this right now you just got those glasses on you’re doing you’re like oh immediately you turn into Kyle no way they were bad
Uh a lot of bad I just got do it I just got a text I’m going to read it for you and you guess who sent it okay I checked again League only awarding one Stanley Cup this year I’m on the text thanks to Brian Burke thanks berky
And that’s a great point 10 teams think they have a chance to win the Stanley Cup you know 10 of 11 whatever are going to go chips all in and then come up bust and have paid for rentals and now they’re in trouble thanks to G 10 think
Yeah 10 think but none can win it if you don’t think thanks to Gary’s beloved playoff matchup there’s going to be six contenders out in the first round great stuff yeah sub awesome that’s for sure I don’t know but we’re uh 72 hours away a little bit less coming up on
Actually we’re probably 70 hours or less 609 hours something going to happen tonight hope so well Zucker has been held out as a possible trade candidate um someone tweeted earlier that they wanted the gensel thing done by tomorrow night yeah um so things are moving there is some Rumblings out of Pittsburgh that
Kyle could revisit signing him gel reigning God that would really take the wind out of my Sal that’s not fun the price has to come down though what do you think the price is 10 uh nine yeah maybe if he comes down to 8 and 1 half
825 Pittsburgh just have 6 30 year olds under contract till they’re 36 he’s still got to make Sid happy here Sid’s not going away any anywhere they’re good players they’re effective guys so the rest of the team’s not been unlocked so intriguing as we get ever so
Closer to Friday 300 p.m. Eastern and uh stay with sportset stay with the real Kipper and borne show we’ll make sure that you’re you’re covered yes sir all right what’s up for tonight uh tonight is the is a non-leaf night the only one all week y so children children
Time our thanks to Brian lton for joining us enjoy your games tonight and we’re back tomorrow for more real Kipper and born
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